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#61139 - 09/04/08 01:57 PM The New Jerusalem.
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#61143 - 09/04/08 10:47 PM Re: The New Jerusalem. [Re: Joel33]
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I haven't been to the old one yet.
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#61147 - 09/05/08 10:05 AM Re: The New Jerusalem. [Re: Allen]
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Me neither

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Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.
Revelations 3:12

Some city that will come down out of heaven - so not simply just the rebuilt Jerusalem of our time.

and Revelations 21:1-5
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And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.


Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Again, New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven.
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#61148 - 09/05/08 11:22 AM Re: The New Jerusalem. [Re: Joel33]
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The New Jerusalem came down out of heaven when Jesus was born, lived, suffered and was crucified. He paid our sins in full asking nothing in return, we don't have to pay him back.

By faith alone, we are now members of the New Jerusalem.
Even after Jesus rose and went into heaven, he continues to reign in the heavenly city (New Jerusalem)of which we continue as its citizens by faith.

When Jesus returns, we will be citizens of the New Jerusalem by sight rather than by faith.
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#61149 - 09/05/08 11:23 AM Re: The New Jerusalem. [Re: Echo]
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I believe at this point in the Book of Revelation it's actually talking about the last days. but I could be wrong
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#61150 - 09/05/08 11:41 AM Re: The New Jerusalem. [Re: Joel33]
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I believe your right that it is talking about when Jesus returns at the end because of verse 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."


Edited by Echo (09/05/08 11:43 AM)
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#61158 - 09/06/08 10:30 AM Re: The New Jerusalem. [Re: Echo]
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Below is another verse about the "New Jerusalem."

It's a Great analogy that explains that those who think they are saved by faith+works(slave woman, slave to the law) are considered the Old Jerusalem and those who believe they are saved by faith alone(free woman, free from law) are the New Jerusalem because they believe eternal life is a free gift from God. It's God's promise to us that eternal life is a gift which we don't have to pay back. See Here:

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Galatians 4:21-31 "Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.

But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

For it is written:
"Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband."

Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.

At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."

Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.




Edited by Echo (09/06/08 10:34 AM)
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