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#61303 - 10/02/08 04:21 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: David]
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Firstly, that was only a sample list, hardly meant to be exhaustive.

Secondly, If we really kept the commandments - if that was really preached as something that is vitally important. There would be no need for a national dialogue regarding abortion - or at the very least, a diminished need.

If we were really admonished and taught to love our neighbor - there would be no need for a national dialogue on gun rights.

If men were taught in their churches to apply the teachings of Christ to their parenting methods, there would be fewer broken homes, which would lead to less crime, less teen pregnancy, less divorce, and greater leadership in our young people who've actually been taught by fathers rather than abandoned by them.

OUr pastors and preachers, should focus on teaching the gospel. If we learned what the gospel actually teaches us, many political issues would whither away.
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#61306 - 10/02/08 09:27 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Joel33]
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If we all went to the same church (or even any church) you may be right - but a lot of the people making the laws do not attend the church to hear a message on the ten commandments. If we, as Christians, are not watchful, vote with our conscience, and even speak of the candidates and what their beliefs/goals are, then people are elected who really don't want to hear the 10 commandments, they put supreme court justices in place who don't want you to hear the 10 commandments - in public, then in private because you may be dangerous in thought and practice.

It really is a slippery slope.
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#61316 - 10/03/08 12:40 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: David]
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I think we can safely say Palin did much better than expected last night and the questions re: her qualifications to be VP have been answered.

Meanwhile, they're still trying to find Katie's Restaurant.

Biden vs. Biden on clean coal:



And this:

Quote:

In Thursday night’s vice presidential debate between Senator Joe Biden and Governor Sarah Palin, Biden said the strangest and most ill-informed thing I have ever heard about Lebanon in my life. “When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.” Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.” [Emphasis added.]

What on Earth is he talking about? The United States and France may have kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon in an alternate universe, but nothing even remotely like that ever happened in this one.

Nobody – nobody – has ever kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. Not the United States. Not France. Not Israel. And not the Lebanese. Nobody.

Joe Biden has literally no idea what he’s talking about.

It’s too bad debate moderator Gwen Ifill didn’t catch him and ask a follow up question: When did the United States and France kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon?


Click

As well as:
Click - "Putting the President in Article I, and claiming that the VP only presides over the Senate in case of a tie would seem to be at least as significant, especially given that Biden has been in the Senate since before I hit puberty, and is, you know, running for Vice President. Perhaps he should study up on what the job involves -- remember, the rap on Sarah Palin was that she didn't know. And perhaps the press should try reporting on what he says more . . . ."

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#61317 - 10/03/08 01:47 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: David]
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I'm not saying that a dialogue about belief isn't important during the campaigns. What I am saying is that dialogue shouldn't originate at the pulpit.
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#61318 - 10/03/08 04:58 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Joel33]
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good point.
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#61321 - 10/03/08 10:16 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: anangelsarms]
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I haven't given it much consideration, but those pastors have and it makes a lot of sense. Lots of non-profits can discuss whatever they want without restrictions. IRS rules do not trump the Constitution.

There's a whole lot of political talk going on in pulpits, (Wright and Flegler are just 2 examples of thousands), but the IRS is keeping their hands off for some reason - these pastors are calling their hand.
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#61329 - 10/04/08 06:59 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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I watched the debate until 10:00 (our time) but then I couldn't take it anymore. I guess I just don't get the format. The ground rules are 90 seconds to answer and two minutes of rebuttal. Half the questions didn't even get answered and they kept going back to the former answers at the start of the next new question. I don't think that should be allowed. Why don't they just make it a free for all. smash
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#61332 - 10/05/08 09:37 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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It was fun to watch, their gameplan for both sides was kind of obvious. Palin did as well as I expected, Biden sounded good until you went back and actually dug a little, then you could tell he was making some stuff up as he went. He really tried hard to cover both sides of the fence on the same-sex marriage issue. I understand a few of Palin's missed the mark too - I'm guessing it's a pressure cooker to have to answer who knows what - for the most part they just answered the questions they prepared for smile

It's all over in less than 30 days yay

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#61349 - 10/07/08 11:18 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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Anyone watch the debate tonight? Melanie and I were at dinner with her dad and brother - we'll have to watch the TIVO later. I understand Todd Smith from Selah was in the audience and asked one of the questions.
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#61367 - 10/09/08 10:36 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE. HERE IS MY PLATFORM:

(1) 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.

(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no exports. We will use the 'Wal-Mart's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.'

(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.

(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.

(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.


(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.

(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you're banned for life.

(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.!

(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.

(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask

the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.

(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.

(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.

Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you're gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November.
God Bless America !!!!!!!!!!!

Bill Cosby!!!!!!!!
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#61371 - 10/09/08 05:22 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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Indianapolis did a great job in their get out the vote campaign - 105% of their eligible population is now registered to vote:

http://lawhawk.blogspot.com/2008/10/can-you-say-voter-fraud-i-know-you-can.html

ACORN anyone?

Even Stamford has 8,500 dead people still on their voting rolls:

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/ci_10675188

This doesn't even count the Dallas Cowboys being registered to vote in Nevada, or New Mexico's or Virginia's issues. ACORN should be disbanded and the people responsible prosecuted for voter fraud.
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#61376 - 10/10/08 08:48 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: David]
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#61381 - 10/10/08 11:24 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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This is too funny, the Dems introduce the next Vice-President of the United States, John McCain:



grin
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#61401 - 10/14/08 12:12 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: David]
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One more, Obama supporters questioned on why they like him and why they agree with his policies (even tho all the policies the interviewer gives are actually McCain's) smile

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#61438 - 10/17/08 09:11 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: David]
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Early voting starts Monday here in Texas smile
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#61457 - 10/20/08 01:24 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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Hello smile I just had to post this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp - I hate going to snopes because of the pop-ups, but I wanted to verify this before posting, it's a legitimate discourse why this Christian man could not vote for Obama.

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I wanted to send this article from Huntley Brown - a fabulous concert pianist, a man of God and a black man. I appreciate so much his reasoning for not voting for Obama. I would like to see his article published or spread out via Email to as many as possible. It's good stuff!


Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown

Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but it's worth repeating...

First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.

I can't vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.

In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.

We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.

There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100% rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.

Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue

The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:
  • A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
  • B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
  • C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
  • D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
  • E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.

Think about this: You can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.

Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why
now?

Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 "Go and make disciples of all nations." This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a ...

  • 1. Commitment to the White Community
  • 2. Commitment to the White Family
  • 3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
  • 4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community.
  • 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
  • 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
  • 7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

Would you support a President who went to a church like that?

Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.

This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.

A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if it's a white church or a black church it's still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.

Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.

Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?

So what does all this mean for the nation?

In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.

Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 "Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

Then God says

Samuel 1:18 " When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day." 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles." 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."

Here is what we know for sure.

God is not schizophrenic

He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.

Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.

I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.

Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,

  • 1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
  • 2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?

Blessings, Huntley Brown

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#61468 - 10/22/08 04:32 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: hpb]
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Wow, that's a lot of reading smile

Here's something a bit more succint. Obama says he doesn't have enough experience to run for national office:



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Melanie and I voted early yesterday, we plan to be out of town on the 4th.
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#61491 - 10/26/08 04:50 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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9 days and counting...

everyone on your knees...

Romans 13:1

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Whoever gets the vote has been authorized by the Lord. \0/
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#61495 - 10/27/08 11:48 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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No chance...


Mitt in 2012
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#61496 - 10/27/08 10:36 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Joel33]
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hehe, that's funny, I don't care who you are smile

Why do you think Mitt didn't do well this year? For some reason American politics took a big shift to the left - both candidates are considered the most liberal of their party.
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