#58655 - 01/31/08 06:24 AM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Allen]
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talking heads are calling Mccain the man for the republicans. Is he the best we got. I dont how many have said (at least in Tn),"i wis Fred hadnt dropped out". He didnt know how may voters he had... In this great country we have CLinton Obama Mccain Huckabee ROmney
None of them are STRONG leaders like Reagan or Bush or JFK or even Bill Clinton, at least he was decisively strong, albeit with wrong motivations.
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#58668 - 01/31/08 11:20 AM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: embie]
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I miss Fred too 
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#58669 - 01/31/08 09:10 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: David]
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I'm still waiting to see who shoots themselves in the foot by the time the primaries get around to Texas on March 4th. Here's the delegate count so far: Pubs (1,191 Delegates Needed to Win) McCain - 93 Romney - 59 Huckabee - 40 Paul - 4 Dems (2,025 Delegates Needed to Win) Clinton - 256 Obama - 181 Less than 10% in, we don't know anything yet 
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#58704 - 02/04/08 10:37 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: SenorElMouse]
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McCain has just went so far outside what's considered a conservative vote numerous times. I also tend to believe Romney when he says being a senator doesn't really mean you are qualified to actually lead anything, your life is a series of comittee meetings. That's small fries tho when compared to what side of the issues McCain has been on.
Tomorrow's the big day, anyone get to vote?
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#58711 - 02/05/08 06:45 AM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Allen]
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As I said earlier I remembered that when I moved back to CT I was registered as an Independent, so yesterday I went to Town Hall to change parties and they wouldn't let me. Not only were they impatient, they were just plain rude. They originally just yelled "We're Closed" when I first knocked.  They wouldn't even open the opaque glass door. I couldn't see anyone and I had to raise my voice to ask and answer questions through it. They said I had to be there before noon in order to make the change... I was going to vote for Mike Huckabee, but they say a vote for him helps McCain and I just don't want him. 
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#58717 - 02/05/08 08:19 AM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: embie]
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Romney won't commit to anything but being non-commital.  McCain actually believes he is a Republican. Hillary is a publicly bitter, overly emotional, irrational socialist. With her record of ourbursts we do not need her finger on the nuke button.  Obama is wet behind the ears and is way to dodgy on his upbringing. He has no plan for anything but says we need change. He has an agenda that I don't like the smell of.  We are SO hosed! I would almost cast a vote for Bloomberg if he ran just to show my disaproval of the party lackeys that have been offered up.
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#58722 - 02/05/08 12:24 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Steve]
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From a well-known conservative blogger: Three Reasons to Vote for Obamaexcerpts: 1. Obama's "Reagan touch" will allow him to actually make progress on the domestic issues that have vexed us for two-plus decades. Like Reagan, he has the political and rhetorical skill to use the bully pulpit of the presidency the way it's meant to be used. Obama can convince broad swaths of the public to agree with his policies, which agreement he can then leverage to get Congress behind those policies as well.
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2. On foreign policy and security, Obama's superior leadership and judgment makes up for what he lacks in experience. No one is truly "ready on day one" to be president. There is no job in the world that can prepare you for it -- not First Lady, not Senator, not anything. Would Hillary feel a wee bit more at ease the first time she sits down in the big chair than Obama would when he first sits down? Maybe. But in the grand scheme of things, it is a small advantage easily outweighed by other factors. It's also worth remembering that the genius of our system includes a lengthy transition period to get the new folks acquainted with the levers of power, so no matter who wins, it's not like they'll be flying blind on "day one."
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3. Obama is clearly the more electable choice, and an Obama-McCain race would be a refreshing change of pace in a country that's had more than its share of divisive battles that can only end in a near-50/50 split. Don't tell me about head-to-head general-election polls in February; they don't matter. What matters are the dynamics of the race, and all the dynamics of an Obama-McCain election favor the Democrats. ...
- If McCain gets the nomination, I just might vote for Obama.
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#58723 - 02/05/08 12:30 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: David]
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Besides... I've thought for a while now if McCain gets the nomination by votes from moderates/independents due to his central/left leaning tendencies, it's just a throw-back to the Dole/Kemp race of 1996 - we're doomed as a party to a mediocre oatmeal candidate who wil get stomped in the general election. It will be between 2 centrist/left candidates and one of the other 2 has a lot more experience in those issues - it's kinda like arguing with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with more experience 
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#58733 - 02/05/08 09:01 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: David]
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I won't go that far - McCain definitely isn't conservative, but he's miles and miles from Clinton/Obama.
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#58739 - 02/05/08 09:14 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Allen]
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Huckabee is having a good night - much better than expected. I kind of wrote him off because the other 2 took the majority of the limelight. We'll see...
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#58749 - 02/06/08 03:20 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: embie]
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The reps need to smell what is cooking. They need to put their money behind a candidate that has a chance of winning. McCain will get slaughtered by an Obama nomination. If McCain were smart he would throw in the towel and go as a VP on a Huck-McCain ticket. That would be a smart way to run.
Alas, smart and politics often do not live in the same galaxy....
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#58755 - 02/06/08 04:03 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Steve]
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well... i don't like hillary because i don't think we need to have a woman for a president. now people probably disagree with this but i don't think it's a good choice
I'd probable pick huckabee or romney
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#58759 - 02/06/08 06:19 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
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you all are just baiting me.
Huckabee is an idiot.
Romney is a conservative. I must admit the flip flopping on the abortion issue could be considered problematic, but frankly his position was never pro-life before he changed rather it was that Government shouldn't legislate morality. A position that I actually shared until I became acquainted with the horrific psychological effects of having an abortion on a first hand basis with folks I counseled as an ecclesiastical leader.
So for me, that someone has altered their view on this issue is perfectly understandable. People grow and people change.
The fact is, that Huckabee did not govern Arkansas as a conservative. Huckabee's Record as Governor is that of a Democrat. Taxes were raised, Government programs increased. He sidesteps these issues by saying crap like "I raised hope." when the fact is, he raised Taxes.
He's incredibly soft on Crime, Go to Prison and find Jesus and you'll be pardoned.
This is not the man we want.
McCain is a horrible choice also for the conservatives.
Romney is the man.
I'm not entirely certain why Huckabee, is so intent on keeping the nomination from Mitt. If Huckabee had dropped out, Mitt would be well ahead in the Delegate count today and the Republicans would have a viable alternative to Hillary. As it stands, McCain will lose in the General Election to Hillary. Beyond a doubt.
My guess as to why Huckabee seems intent on ruining Mitt's chance and the Republican Party's chance at the Presidency is that he feels he is on some sort of secret mission from God to stop the Mormon.
A Mormon in the WhiteHouse or as the conservative candidate is too much for the Evangelical Wing of the Party to stomach. They can't be politically behind a guy whose entire religion they've condemned to hell. It gives the religion viability and opens doors for LDS missionaries.
In my opinion that's why Huck is staying in. And our nation will suffer under Hillary's watered down Socialism for his supreme idiocy.
I say choose the smartest guy in the room.
Mitt Romney
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#58760 - 02/06/08 11:03 PM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Joel33]
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I think you're reading a little into Huckabee's reasoning - he was won several states and no-body has nearly enough delegates to clinch yet. McCain has more than Romney and Huckabee put together, so even if all of Huckabee's delegates had went to Romney (no way that could be said for anyone of them) McCain would still be ahead. And... he still barely has half of what he needs.
I'm not happy with any of the candidates. Hillary is Hillary, Obama is the most liberal senator in office, McCain is not conservative, huge past liberal issues, Romney has past liberal tendencies (not just abortion) and Huckabee is no different. The only true conservative (Thompson) dropped out, so like 1996 we're left with choosing between the lesser of 3 evils.
It's entirely possible none of them will have enough delegates to clinch the nomination prior to the convention. Deals will have to be made at that point...
Anddddd - it's also entirely possible Obama will beat Hillary, he is surging in most polls.
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#58764 - 02/07/08 09:42 AM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Allen]
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so even if all of Huckabee's delegates had went to Romney (no way that could be said for anyone of them) McCain would still be ahead. And... he still barely has half of what he needs. If Huckabee was out, it wouldn't just be his Delegates that would have gone to Mitt. A large number of McCain's also would have gone to Mitt on Tuesday. For instance, California?
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#58766 - 02/07/08 11:27 AM
Re: We Decide 2008
[Re: Joel33]
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at this point i am a mitt guy. just cant go with mccain or huckabee. i only hope he can debate fiercely eith either "islama" obama or clinton... take the gloves (mitts  )off so to speak and lay it down. becasue i gaurantee Obama will not play fair and hillary will have bill telling her what to say...and how to sya it.
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