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#58912 - 02/20/08 05:01 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: anangelsarms]
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Please let Jerry take the pic and Allen where the Ayres shirt with Bill laugh

I may be jumping the gun a bit, but it looks to me like McCain and Obama. *sigh*

I saw Barack in an interview with Matt Lauer today and he said that he's prepared for Republican pressure in the General Election after fighting the "Clinton Machine" and their low blows in the primary.

Do you think McCain can beat Obama?
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#58932 - 02/20/08 09:51 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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Maybe, it's not quite over in the Democratic Primary - Hillary is still within striking distance and still leads in Texas and Ohio - 2 huge states on March 4th.

I got some pictures, he's lost a lot of weight since leaving office. I'll post'em tomorrow smile
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#59073 - 02/27/08 10:29 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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Nearly forgot to post pictures (BTW, Obama will be here tomorrow - can never remember candidates being that interested in Beaumont Texas before).

OK, the crowd was in the mood when Bill showed up:



Bill showed up a little late, having stopped to eat lunch with local hispanic leaders. He then spent the first 10 minutes on stage sucking on his teeth:



here:



and here:



somebody get the man a toothpick!



doh

After a lot of Bush-bashing by local long-time democrats he took the stage. Worked into some finger-wagging at republicans:



and a particular democrat:




He spoke about 20 minutes total and managed to say something to insult everyone and make everyone happy. I might vote for him after all.

wink
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#59075 - 02/28/08 05:56 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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Gosh is it me or does he just look awful????

That is one man who has not aged gracefully. He has lost a lot of weight since he left office.

His eyes, nose and skin don't look very healthy, and his hair is SO white... wink
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#59076 - 02/28/08 07:40 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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He has lost a lot of weight since he left office. Maybe that makes his nose and skin stand out more smile
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#59085 - 02/28/08 05:38 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Mel]
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Obama was here today - spreading all kinds of hope and change and blah blah blah. Bill's gonna be back Sunday. Hide your wives and daughters smile
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#59089 - 02/28/08 07:15 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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bill looks like an ethiopian ! man, hilary is killing him .... haha or something is... the toothpick thing is pretty funny, he must have eaten at luther's bar b q! where is your picture with him ???
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#59105 - 02/28/08 10:09 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: anangelsarms]
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I didn't go up there, too many people and the rain was starting. Maybe when he comes back Sunday wink

They had eaten at Carlito's, apparently something with chicken or lettuce, or something stringy tongue

My goodness they treat Obama like the Messiah. Whatever he says they cheer, he could read the phone book and get the same response.
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#59110 - 02/29/08 10:06 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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yeah. he seems to have that effect. but when hilary talks, (and this is a pet peve) and the audience starts to applaud before she is done, she doesnt "pause" like the rest of the speakers, to let the applause pass, she starts talking LOUDER and over the applause, like "shut up i am not done" ... it's such a control thing. irritates me. call me pet peve.
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#59112 - 02/29/08 06:53 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: anangelsarms]
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She is very much a control freak. And a power hungry one at that. I am interested to see how her personal life shakes up if/when she does not get the nod from the party and when she does not win the presidency.
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#59113 - 02/29/08 07:16 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Steve]
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Bill will be out on his butt. Anyone wanna bet? tongue
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#59119 - 02/29/08 07:52 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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Idda know... at some point you realize you can't do better, so you better love the one you're with smile

They canceled Bill's visit to Beaumont Sunday, tho I hear Hillary's gonna try to make it at some point by Tuesday.
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#59126 - 02/29/08 10:37 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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OBAMA'S NAFTA DOUBLE-TALK confirmed. "After reporting on Barack Obama's dance with the Canadians on NAFTA yesterday, Canadian broadcaster CTV got accused of perpetrating a smear against the Democratic front-runner. They insisted that Obama meant every word he said about overturning the free-trade treaty, and that no one had contacted the Canadian diplomatic corps to reassure them that it was mere demagoguery. CTV responded today by naming names and suddenly the Obama campaign has grown quiet." More here from ABC News.

At least we're learning which bunch of rubes is being fooled. Coming next -- an Obama adviser tells the Iraqi government not to pay attention to his troop-withdrawal talk?

UPDATE: At U.S. News, James Pethokoukis on Obama vs. Obama on trade.

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MORE ON DEMOCRATS AND TRADE:


At an event Monday at George Washington University, a moderator asked four House Democrats if any thought it "practical" or a "good idea" to reopen and renegotiate Nafta. The crew, led by Democratic Caucus head Rahm Emanuel, stared uneasily into the middle distance before submitting "no."

"We'll see if word gets to Ohio," joked the moderator.

It didn't, and that's got some grown-ups in the party nervous.

Alas, the "grown-ups" aren't running for President.

UPDATE: Daniel Drezner observes :


I've said it before and I will say it again: Democrats cannot simultaneously talk about improving America's standing abroad while acting like a belligerent unilateralist when it comes to trade policy.


Just had to share... smile
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#59130 - 03/01/08 08:45 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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vedy intadesting... frown

I think Bill has caused Hillary so much humiliation, and I think he's actually hurt her campagin in certain areas. I think she might attribute some of that blame to him and give him the boot. But you're right, some people stick it out "for better or worse". smile
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#59146 - 03/02/08 10:23 AM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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It's helped in other areas, sympathy from women voters - helped in New Hampshire and will probably help this Tuesday.
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#59151 - 03/02/08 10:35 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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Some more interesting bits on Obama's views on some basic constitutional rights:

Quote:

JACOB SULLUM ON OBAMA AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT:


The D.C. gun law, passed in 1975, isn't really about gangbangers, which it has not exactly disarmed, or random shootings on the street, which it has not noticeably curbed. In effect if not intent, it is about disarming law-abiding residents who might want to protect themselves from gangbangers and other violent criminals.

It's not surprising that Obama sees nothing unconstitutional about this situation, since he does not acknowledge that the Second Amendment has anything to do with self-defense. "As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms," his website claims. "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting" (emphasis added).

This is the only substantive discussion of the Second Amendment on Obama's website. It's part of a document that lists "Protecting Gun Rights" as a subcategory of "Supporting the Rights and Traditions of Sportsmen," which is like listing "Protecting Freedom of Speech" as a subcategory of "Supporting the Rights and Traditions of Auctioneers."
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#59159 - 03/03/08 02:12 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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HMM: "I suggest that any GOP voter in TX or OH take a Democrat ballot and vote for Hillary."
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#59162 - 03/03/08 02:56 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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She's in Beaumont now, how are people supposed to show up if we don't know they're coming? laugh
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#59188 - 03/05/08 12:30 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen]
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So it looks like Hillary is still hanging in there.

Does anyone wanna share their thoughts on who they think they may be voting for regardless of who gets the nomination? eek
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#59193 - 03/05/08 08:13 PM Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie]
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At this point, I am a Mccain man.
Just cant vote for Barack. He is not who you think he is. A smell a rat.
Hillary...whatever. Cant vote for anyone married to or related to or anything to Bill Clinton. On top of that she is a liberal socialist.
Who else is there...ron paul? nader? Uhhh, Jesse Ventura ?
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