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We Decide 2008 #58418 01/24/08 03:02 PM
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I know we're not supposed to discuss politics and religion... but since we ignore the latter request, why not the former?

Here's a topic to discuss your favorite or least favorite candidate, my only request is to say 'why' you feel that way. We've got 10-11 months to make our mistake (and 4 years to live with it tongue ) so discuss away... laugh

Caveat: we do not endorse any 'official' candidate on this site, so any views expressed our totally our own personal views. Any quotes will be linked directly where possible.

What are the issues important to you? Which ones do you not care about? Any local races you wanna yelp about?


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58426 01/24/08 03:26 PM
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I am politically challenged and embarrassingly uneducated on everyone's platforms, but I think that it is difficult to facilitate change (regardless of the party you are affiliated with), if your senate and house are opposed.

For me, I vote almost solely on moral issues. Pro choice, pro gay marriage, partial birth abortion, no thank you. I even have problems with stem cell research.

I have a problem with Hillary Clinton because I think she purposely stayed with Bill because she had her eyes set on the White House, not because she loved or had forgiveness. Not only would she be the first woman President, but she would also be the first single (divorced) President. I think after she left office she would drop him like a hot potato.

However, with Hillary AND Bill in the White House, they could eliminate the need for a Vice President and save us some money that way. tongue


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie] #58429 01/25/08 01:51 AM
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I think that might cost us a LOT more in the end... wink

The field is at least getting a bit narrower, Fred Thompson dropped out this week on the republican side ( frown - he was my favorite all-around candidate) and Kucinich is supposed to be dropping out in the next day or so on the democrat side.

Top contenders:

Democrat:
- Obama
- Clinton
- Edwards

Republican:
- McCain
- Huckabee
- Romney
- Giuliani

Did I miss anyone serious? Anyone a Ron Paul fan? laugh


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58434 01/25/08 10:58 AM
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I can't agree with every thing that Ron Paul stands for but I sure could live with his policies for four years.

He is the ONLY candidate that has come aout and actually said that unconditionally what he is for and against.


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Steve] #58440 01/26/08 12:12 AM
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I think that's open for a lot of debate, but he is just too all over the place in his opinions, conspiracy theories, and voting records for my taste; I couldn't vote for him when we need a commander-in-chief.


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58452 01/26/08 03:40 PM
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i think at this point I am a Romney man. Mccain cant win. HUckabee - i just dont know. But i like him. and Giuliani. Just dont think he can be a good Prez. And I dont think he can beat obama or clinton , especially debating. They are vicious.


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: NABSTER] #58457 01/27/08 01:38 AM
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So what are the rules? The person with the most delegates gets that party's nomination at the convention? Can anyone run as an Independent? (Independents split votes right?) *sigh*. I should know more about how our country is actually run... frown


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie] #58459 01/27/08 06:43 AM
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Yes to each question smile

I think Thompson would have done well in any debate with either opponent, but since he dropped out we won't know unless he's a VP candidate. I'm undecided on the rest right now, I don't know enough about them to make an informed decision. All the campaigning has been away from TX so far...


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I liked Thompson too. smash

It's ridiculous, but I get "feelings" about people. I don't like McCain, and I don't really know why, but there is something that bothers me inside, and I surely don't want Hillary. Barack is intellectually up for the job, (again, not knowing his position on the issues) but to listen to him go on and on there's something in his voice that brings me back to a former pastor who could never hold my attention in church... sleep Romney says all the right things, but comes across slick to me and reminds me of that actor (whose name escapes me) who is always tanned. Not knowing all their views yet, my "gut" likes Huckabee just because he's a Christian and a pastor and is not ashamed to bring God into everything. I liked John Edwards because I think he is "human", but he supports civil unions and I don't/can't.

It is going to be a tough decision I think...at least for me. frown


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: embie] #58463 01/27/08 04:52 PM
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McCain has issues with his policies he's backed and positions on issues in the past, a lot weren't conservative.

Hillary has her own well-known issues.

Barack is inexperienced and backs liberal policies

Romney's positions 'evolve' over time (he tends to flip flop) and no-telling where they will end up. He's been on the wrong side of immigration (like McCain) in the past but has evolved since running for prez. You were thinking of George Hamilton?

Huckabee has had fiscal positions/backed policies in the past that were/are liberal. It would be interesting to see how he would 'evolve' much like romney.

John Edwards is probably one of the most "politician-like" of the group. He's doing as badly as Ron Paul (distant last place finishes), not sure why he's still in except he likes the spotlight and likes spending other people's money.

Giuliani is similar to Romney in experience, tho more McCain-like in policies. His biggest problem has been to wait until Florida to campaign, he's running third there so far and will probably fade more afterwards if not drop out.


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Like I mentioned before, they haven't campaigned in Texas yet, so I'm not very familiar with their positions except what's been on the debates.


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58514 01/28/08 10:15 PM
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McCain is getting some heat for hia immigrations views:
McCain seems to have conned a lot o... transformed his position on immigration

And so is Obama: Sen. Barack Obama easily won the Af...driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Ugh, both are on the wrong side of the wishes of the over-whelming majority of American voters... smash


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58516 01/28/08 10:32 PM
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Just when we needed it, Dave Barry gets everyone caught up on the presidential race:


On Tuesday, millions of Florida voters will head for the polls. Being Floridians, many of them will become confused and drive into buildings, canals, cemeteries, other Floridians, etc. But some will actually make it to the polls, where they will cast ballots that will play a crucial role in the presidential election. Or, in the case of Democrats, not.

It turns out that the 2008 Florida Democratic primary doesn't count. Florida will be sending the same number of delegates to the 2008 Democratic convention as Uzbekistan. This may seem unfair, but there's a simple, logical explanation: The whole primary system is insane. Consider the process so far:

First, Iowa held ''caucuses,'' in which Iowans gathered in small groups at night and engaged in some mysterious Iowan ritual that for all we know involves having intimate relations with corn. Right after that, Wyoming had a primary, but it was only for Republicans, because Wyoming Democrats (apparently, there are at least two) will hold their primary on March 8. Most of the candidates ignored Wyoming and focused on the New Hampshire primary, except Rudy Giuliani, who's following a shrewd strategy, originally developed by the Miami Dolphins, of not entering the race until he has been mathematically eliminated. After New Hampshire came Michigan, where the ballot listed all the Republicans, but only certain Democrats -- including Chris Dodd, who had already dropped out if the race -- but not including Barack Obama or John Edwards.

After Michigan came the Nevada caucuses, in which Hillary Clinton got more votes but Barack Obama got more delegates. (If you don't understand how that could happen, then you have never been to a casino.) Then came the South Carolina Republican primary, which of course was not held on the same day as the South Carolina Democratic primary, which was Saturday. Then comes Florida, in which Republican voters will elect some delegates, although the total will only be half the number Florida was originally supposed to get. Meanwhile, Florida Democrats, as I mentioned, will have the same impact on their party's nomination as if they fed their ballots to ducks.

I am not making any of this up: This is our actual primary system, except (I hope) the part about the corn. We're selecting candidates for the most important job in the world via a process that's less rational than the one used to choose Miss Kumquat of Pasco County.

How did we end up with this ridiculous system? We got it through endless petty squabbling, in both parties, over the issue of which states get to go first. That's right: When confronted with what should be a minor procedural problem, the leaders of our major political parties can't even work intelligently with their own allies, let alone their opponents. This is why, no matter who wins in November, I am optimistic about the future of the nation. (I'm referring to Uzbekistan.)

Anyway, for those of you who plan to vote Tuesday, here's a quick overview of the political situation:

THE REPUBLICAN RACE: It's still wide open. Mitt ''Mitt'' Romney holds a slight edge in delegates, plus a heifer he got for winning Wyoming. Right behind him are John McCain, Chuck Norris and the late Ronald Reagan.

Bringing up the rear is Rudy, who needs a win and has been frantically courting Florida voters. He's mowing your lawn right now.

THE DEMOCRATIC RACE: It's down to Obama vs. Clinton, and it's getting nasty. They hate each other, with the kind of passionate hatred that you see only between two people who hold essentially the same positions on everything. Edwards is still running, but at this point they don't even bother to put a microphone on him for the debates. He just waves his arms to indicate how he's going to take on the big corporations.

There are also some referendum questions on the Florida ballot. The big one concerns the plan to amend the state property tax. This is a complicated question, and it's your duty, as a citizen, to do the research, get the facts and figure out whether the amendment will help -- or hurt -- me. Then let me know, OK? Because I am way too busy.

So that's the situation, Floridians.

On Tuesday, it's your turn to stand up and be counted, unless of course you're a Democrat. But whatever you are, you should get out there and vote, even if you have no earthly idea for what or whom you're voting, or why, because that's what democracy is all about.

Also, Rudy, if you're reading this: My hedge needs trimming.

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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58517 01/28/08 10:39 PM
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Gotta love Dave Barry!


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Steve] #58521 01/29/08 12:49 AM
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For those who want to follow the race closely, there's more info than you can shake a stick at on: www.realclearpolitics.com - they're the people most quoted when it comes to polling - they seem to do a good job of averaging all the other polls to give us a pretty even view of what's where.

I did read a story today where one guy is advocating a fred thompson write-in - it's much more than a non-vote, but tells a story of the people we want to see run.


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: Allen] #58626 01/30/08 03:07 PM
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After McCain's win and Romney's second place yesterday, Giuliani is expected to drop out today. Edwards is expected to drop out today on the democrat side.

Any of them your favorites? Help or hurt your candidate?


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They took a "Survivor" poll on one show today and they voted McCain as a "keeper" due to his POW experience. They kicked Hillary to the curb. laugh


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i just dont know. as long as it aint hitlery clinton or Barak hussein Obama Bin Laden


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Re: We Decide 2008 [Re: NABSTER] #58653 01/31/08 04:32 AM
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It *could* be both smile

Did anyone see the debate tonight on CNN? I caught some of the pundits afterwards - they seemed to think Romney did real well, McCain not so well and Huckabee kinda middlin.


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