something to consider in this argument: there is nothing you can put in your body through your mouth that will make you unpure only that which comes out of it. also, by levetical law eating pork is a sin and I am willing to bet a few of you like ham, on top of that, coffee, nicotine, energy drinks, and cough syrup ( in a regular dose for an ailment ) can effect and alter brain actitiy more severly than marijuana .

anything mind distorting that goes into your body is unpure, the bible calls it pharmacopeia. witchcraft.
marijuana induces a distorted mental state and alters one's reality. nicotine and coffe do not.
why do you think it is called dope? i draw the line at nicotine, because in it's pure form, it is mind altering, a cigerette is adumbed version of the pure drug. i am against it as well. caffeine, i could be persuaded it is wrong as well.
I have no tolerance for the marijuana argument because I know how it affected my life, lives of many friends and unfortunately my own son's life.
the marijuana of today, as well, is much much stronger and potent than yesteryear and even hundreds of years, due to breeding and crossbreeding strains of species. it is extremely addictive(emotionally) and very destructive once addicted to it. it is a deceptive drug and very easy to fall under its euphoric high.

Then you, by your faith, are not allowed to go to the hospital. You cannot take painkillers, you cannot use anethesia while having surgery or anything like that.

As for drugs, I have to take a neutral stance on this.

it is intent as well, mouse. abuse of anything can happen. drugs for good and drugs for pleasure can be intertwined easily. marijuana for cancer patients, i do not have a problem with , for instance, other than the fact it is currently illegal. i by my faith, do go to the hospital, i have had many prescriptions for pain killers from 2 back surgeries as well. i did not abuse them. and when i no longer needed them i quit takin em. they were effective in pain relief. not partying. different than recreational drugs.
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anything mind distorting that goes into your body is unpure, the bible calls it pharmacopeia. witchcraft.

Man, if novicane and stuff like that isn't mind altering, then I don't know what is. If it is against the Bible you cannot say that it is ok in one instance and bad in another. Take murder for instance. If a man kills his neighbor because he is mad at him, that is sinful and evil. But if a woman kills her abusive husband after years of abuse and maltreatment, that is ok? If so, then you are not going by your Bible. You cannot condemn the very thing that you accept or praise in another part.

That, by the way, is my stance on drugs and such. It is the person's own body. If God didn't want them to get high, then he shouldn't have created weed and such.

okay , so i shouldve taken more time in selecting my words more precisely. however, you do know what i mean , and where i stand is very clear. novacain is clearly different than xtacy or dope. abuse of it however is no different.

I believe if we search ourselves, if we look deep within and be truly honest with ourselves the answers to our questions will reveal themselves. The reason why I say this is because I don’t believe we are all honest with our own persons, including me. I believe that some times we search or convince ourselves of the answer we want. From reading these posts I could ALMOST tell you the people that do “drugs” and don’t. I will not tell those that do “same them” for I agree that it’s your business not mine. However, to compare acid to Advil I don’t see the parallel. Pork was also brought up questioning once faith, does that mean we should start lynching witches again, or maybe draining people’s blood when they get sick. The bible was written a long time ago, we all know that pork is not evil. What will god say about our medical technology when we talk, I’m not sure. But, to compare going to the hospital (the will to live) and abusing drugs, I don’t think god will have the same point of view as those whom post otherwise. We are all here to serve gods purpose.

See, you say that you can tell if we've used drugs or not. I'll come right out and say it. I have. Many times. However, ever since I found my dream of heading into the Navy I've been clean for 5 months.

This doesn't mean that I don't believe that they don't help, and even hurt people. However, to say that all drugs, even the illegal ones are evil, is wrong in my eyes. I've seen them help some people. I've also seen them hurt people.

NODY I also like how you said that medicine in the Bible doesn't relate to today because we have advanced so much. You make some good points.

/tips hat

legality is of man. law creates legal and illegal.
right and wrong are moral and come from BIblical heritage. drugs for recreation are wrong.

It is hard to talk about "drugs". There are so many different types of drugs. But let's take hardcore minus legal ones (including nicotine and alcohol or anything else over-the-counter that is "bad" - I'll explain shortly) those are just bad for the lone reason they are illegal. God never gives us the right to do anything illegal unless we are forced to break the law to stay in his will. Now for the over-the-counter/legal drugs, God won't drop his size 10,000 shoe out of the sky to stomp on you for drinking some wine/beer and/or smoking a camel. But if you delve deep inside yourself, God has probably asked you to stop. It's all about the "yes" in your spirit to God's request. Not to mention I just read about an hour ago in 1Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple are ye." Meaning polluting our temple is not good. When we asked Jesus into our life..he really came into the temple which is our body to reside in us. Just for background info I have been saved for almost a year and a half and have been struggling with smoking cigs and drinking albeit they are legal and that has been my excuse to be allowed but, God has a way of dealing with that if you want to draw nearer to him. Take it for what you want, I since I just registered I am Pharisee and you know what us christians think of that bunch. LOL (gotta see how to get rid of that monicker)

OK, I am new to the site and the main reason I found this place was I Googled for Christian Jam Bands. So uh, why are we talking about drugs? (Maybe, this is where I need to spend an hour readin the rest of the string) Other than our past experiences with Jam Bands usually meant drug-laced evenings with a whole lot of great music (well when I was unsaved I thought it was great). My wife and I were discussing how the music on Christian radio has no "JAM". Has anyone compiled a list from the posts to just list one so that I can continue on my merry way? Or do I have to go back and read? lol

Oh BTW, I think I am going to have to put this site in my favorites. Nothing like talking to people in this life that will spend eternity with me in the big big house God has prepared for us in the next life. Yipee! Let's all make a joyful noise unto our Lord!!!

welcome dude...

Waalyn, Good luck with the Christian Jamband thing. Thats the reason I'm on this page also. But, to get a straight answer out of anybody is hard. Not that people don't try to help, because they do. But, they will give you names of bands they like. I'm not sure if everybody in the Christian Music scene knows exactly what Jam Music is. However I have some names of bands that I've stumbled on along the way, some I've listened to some I havent. Jars of Clay is good not jam though, Seens, Pure Evidence, Madison Greene and Waterdeep are a few names that I've got what I brought up Christian Jam. I'm not sure if they are, I haven't listened to them. But, I've checked out thier band they look like posible jam. If you have better luck or find other bands please email me, jsprague16@yahoo.com thanks.

Seeds not Seens

I checked out Waterdeep. Good Jam but (no offense to anyone) the singing is mediocre at best. I only downloaded one show so I'll see if I can dig up anymore. I also ran across The Selah Project. They sound great but I only got to hear one song. It was long and I am not sure it qualifies as a Jam. Not to mention I couldn't really find much of a presence of them on the net.

I used to listen to a band called Ekoostik Hookah. They Jammed but didn't glorify God. Not to mention the scene causes me to stumble so I stay away. So I need a Jam fix. THX NODY, I'll check these others out. If I find some good ones, I'll definitely email them to you.

koinonia was a jazz fusion jam band. killer.
david crowder has some cool stuff, not really jam though....there is some prophetic type music from jason upton...he rules and it is very improvisational and very annointed...some of it goes on for 10-15 minutes at a time.
i have always liked lincoln brewster, his latest is awesome praise and has some great guitat breaks and intros, but still not quite jam band.
dakona is jammin...indie band...for me , if i want jam band i go back to original jam bands...allman brothers...check out, "jessica" "mr bluebird" , blues tat jams isnt necessarily non christian. for guitar jambs that just flat out make you feel good allman bros are hard to beat. i never got into the wierd stuff like Phish, although they are good musicians, it wasnt my cup o tea. never liked the dead either, lousy vocals and average musicians at best...they jammed, but i was bored with em. dave weckl band is pure fusion jazz jam. he is an amazing drummer and his fellow musicians can absoultely lay it down. al dimeola killer jams, pat metheny, chick corea, stanley clark, wooten brothers are world renowned and victor wooten is superb on his many basses. bela fleck is awesome. look em up and listen to em a bit, see if you like their stuff.
nabster

Right on Nabster, some of my favorite music there. All though I'm a big fan of Phish, but for each their own. Hey you want to hear some good drumming? Check out Stanton Moore, he is recently the drummer for a fusion jamband out of New Orleans called Galactic. Although he is famous for his jazz stuff. Get "All Kooked Out" by him. Also if you havent heard of Jaco you must. He played for the first jazz fusion band to really make a name, Weather Report. Check out "The Jaco Years" he's the man. Lets see if we can keep the topic on good music and off of drugs. Peace

yopu mean of course jaco pastorious, that cat is awesome. did you ever hear the album paul rogers made of a bunch of muddy waters classics?
john bonhams son , jason, on drums. 17 different killer guitarists, incredible . called paul rogers tribute to muddy waters it is a must have. wrather report, is fab....chester thompson, is fab. spyro gyra is fab. brecker brothers smokin....

I am going to look up the christian bands listed. Thanks for the info.

I personally don't care to get anymore info on the secular jam bands. I've seen them quite a bit and they are devoid of God. Give God the glory because he gave them the ability. I came here looking for a Jesus worshipping jamband. Finding a secular jamband is as easy as www.jambase.com

problem is i rally dont think jam band and christian go togeher. because it tends to come from a worldly drug like point of refernce. what is christian about just jamming. it isnt. maybe christian musicians, but it aint givin god the glory unless he is the one getting attention from the music.
jam bands also lend themselves to an open mind without guidance of it. and an aidle mind is the devils playground. it must glorify god to be christian.prais eand worship is where it is at. if you wanna get a high like never before do about an hour or so of some really good p and W. tomlin, crowder, passsion, redman,cooley, upton, shane and shane, brewster, danny chambers, vertical nation.
david binion.

God's ways are not our ways. A Jam can happen while praising our heavenly king. Trust me. God told me I would get a Jam band. I believe him. Now mind you, I have yet to follow up on any of those bands you gave me info on. Give me this weekend and I will give my report card. LOL

Shane and Shane are on tour with a friend of mine. Bethany Dillon goes to my church and she is the sweetest thing this side of grandma's apple pie. If you get the chance go see this young lady sing. She has a very special annointing.