#5039 - 01/19/04 04:19 AM
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If the rest of the film speaks as loud as this does I think I will bring a beach-towel.... wow and beautiful to!  ps they have e-cards and lots of resources now!
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#5040 - 01/19/04 04:26 AM
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And check THAT out. Looks like it will be in a theater near you! Thank you LORD!
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,13285,00.html
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#5042 - 01/29/04 06:16 PM
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Hey Y'all...I got this email sent to me and thought that I would pass it on to you all.
I simply can't wait for this movie.
Saphy PS...I did receive this as a "forwarded" email. I did my best to take out all the ">" but when I try to make it more readable...I screw it up. So this is the best I could do in a short amount of time....
Paul Harvey comments on "The Passion of the Christ" I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form ofanti-Semitic thought, language or actions. I arrived at the private
viewing for "The Passion", held in Washington DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typicallyWashingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words.. The film was very briefly introduced,without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced. In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth. One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized,wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran tohim, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall,she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations.Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body,became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love. At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive.The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film,even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be "anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view"this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus" I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian" film,in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth. We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distortedit and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am
passionate about "The Passion." You will be as well. Don't miss it! This is a commentary by DAVID LIMBAUGH about Mel Gibson's very controversial movie regarding Christ's crucifixion. It,too, is well worth reading. MEL GIBSON'S passion for "THE PASSION" How ironic that when a movie producer takes artistic license with historical events, he is lionized as artistic, creative and brilliant, but when another takes special care to be true to the real-life story, he is vilified. Actor-producer Mel Gibson is discovering these truths the hard
way as he is having difficulty finding a United States studio or distributor for his upcoming film, "The Passion," which depicts the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus Christ.Gibson co-wrote the script and financed, directed and produced the movie. For the script, he and his co-author relied on the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as well as the diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) and Mary of Agreda's "The City of God." Gibson doesn't want this to be like other sterilized religious epics. "I'm trying to access the story on a very personal level and trying tobe very real about it." So committed to realistically portraying what many would consider the most important half-day in the history of theuniverse, Gibson even shot the film in the Aramaic language of the period. In response to objections that viewers will not be able to understand that language,Gibson said, "Hopefully, I'll be able to transcend the language barriers with my visual storytelling; if I fail, I fail, but at least it'll be a monumental
failure." To further insure the accuracy of the work, Gibson has enlisted the counsel of pastors and theologians, and has received rave reviews. Don Hodel, president of Focus on the Family, said, "I was very impressed. The movie is historically and theologically accurate." Ted Haggard, pastor of NewLife Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., and president of the National Evangelical Association, glowed: "It conveys, more accurately than any other
film, who Jesus was." During the filming, Gibson, a devout Catholic, attended Mass every morning because "we had to be squeaky clean just working on this." From Gibson's perspective, this movie is not about Mel Gibson. It's bigger than he is. "I'm not a preacher, and I'm not a pastor," he said. "But I really feel my career was leading me to make this. The Holy Ghost was working through me on this film, and I was just directing traffic. I hope the film
has the power to evangelize." Even before the release of the movie, scheduled for March 2004, Gibson is getting his wish. "Everyone who worked on this movie was changed. There were agnostics and Muslims on set converting to Christianity...[and] people being healed of diseases." Gibson wants people to understand through the movie, if they don't already, the incalculable influence Christ has had on the world And he grasps that Christ is controversial precisely because of WHO HE IS - GOD incarnate. "And that's the point of my film really, to show all that turmoil around him politically and with religious leaders and the people, all because He is Who He is." Gibson is beginning to experience first hand just how controversial Christ is. Critics have not only speciously challenged the movie's authenticity, but have charged that it is disparaging to Jews, which Gibson vehemently denies. "This is not a Christian vs. Jewish thing. '[Jesus] came into the world, and it knew him not.' Looking at Christ's crucifixion, I look first at my own culpability in that." Jesuit Father William J. Fulco, who translated the script into Aramaic and Latin, said he saw no hint of anti-Semitism in the movie. Fulco added, "I would be aghast at any suggestion that Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic." Nevertheless, certain groups and some in the mainstream press have been very critical of Gibson's "Passion." The New York Post's Andrea Peyser chided him: "There is still time, Mel, to tell the truth." Boston Globe columnist James Carroll denounced Gibson's literal reading of the biblical accounts. "Even a faithful repetition of the Gospel stories of the death of Jesus can do damage exactly because those sacred texts themselves carry the virus of Jew hatred," wrote Carroll. A group of Jewish and Christian academics has issued an 18-page report slamming all aspects of the film, including its undue emphasis on Christ's passion rather than "a broader vision." The report disapproves of the movie's treatment of Christ's passion as historical fact. The moral is that if you want the popular culture to laud your work on Christ, make sure it either depicts Him as a homosexual or as an everyday sinner with no particular redeeming value (literally). In our anti-Christian culture, the blasphemous "The Last Temptation of Christ" is celebrated and "The Passion" is condemned. But if this movie continues to affect people the way it is now, no amount of cultural opposition will suppress its force and its positive impact on lives everywhere. Mel Gibson is a model of faith and courage.
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#5043 - 01/29/04 11:17 PM
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Hey Saphy, thanks! Here it is all fixed up. (microsoft Word format) www.menshelp.org/Paul_Harvey_Passion.doc
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#5045 - 02/03/04 07:44 AM
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Guess what??? For all of you in SW LA and SE TX....I just went to Fandango.com (and I had to maneuver the site quite a bit...) but Lake Charles is getting "Passion". Doesn't look like Beaumont is...at this time. But I am sure that could possibly change??? Movie times for opening day(2-25) are listed on the site. Chris is taking me!!! Saphy
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#5046 - 02/17/04 11:49 PM
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Check the Passion web site. HERE movie theater listings are out. I know that over there in the big Beaumont you guys are showing at Tinseltown and at the "Star" Houston has at least eight theaters on board and Iam sure more will follow.
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#5047 - 02/26/04 03:55 PM
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i probably won't see the movie as I'm certain that my wife wouldn't be able to stomach what I'm told is an incredible amount of violence. Also, the following article has tempered some of my enthusiasm as it points out some scriptural inconsistencies which I would probably be really bothered by.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The recent release of The Passion of the Christ has created quite a stir in a society that is already saturated with those claiming to present the true picture of Jesus. These discordant voices are often justified and defended on the grounds that they are presenting the real Jesus of history while others are presenting the Jesus of faith. This is no less the case with The Passion of the Christ. It focuses heavily on the physical details of the crucifixion of Jesus and presents a quite moving portrayal of the crucifixion.
The story begins in the Garden of Gethsemane and ends with a thirty-second glimpse at the Resurrection. The voice that is heard overwhelmingly in this film is that of the physical torture that Jesus experienced at the hands of the Romans, yet after all of the physical abuse that is heaped upon Jesus, it is the Elders of the Jews who remain solely responsible. It is the Elders of the Jews who direct the arrest, call to order a Sanhedrin in disarray, and force Pilate’s hand when he was considering the release of Jesus. The underlying sentiment is that the Romans were the vehicle of Jewish opposition to Jesus.
The common perception that first century Palestine was ruled with iron clad determinism by the Romans is likely to be deceiving. For the period of Jesus’ public ministry, the region of Judea was ruled by the Roman prefect Pilate. Prefects ruled directly under the leadership of the Roman Emperor and were answerable to Caesar in cases of misconduct and appeal. For a Roman prefect, such as Pilate, there was a precarious relationship between his constituents and the Roman Emperor.
If Pilate’s administration of the Imperial province of Judea went well, he could expect advancement in rank and expansion of power within the Roman equestrian class. If his administration of a province went poorly, Pilate could expect a speedy exit to public office. Pilate’s decisions were subject to the scrutiny of the Roman Emperor, but were also aimed at keeping the peace in his province. In a manner of speaking, the Roman method of governance in Judea paved the way for a man such as Pilate being pressured into making a rash decision that he would otherwise not make.
Many of the Roman prefects of the equestrian class had a wealthy or powerful patron who helped procure their office for them. In the case of Pilate, many have suggested that the wealthy patron may have been L. Aelius Seianus, a powerful administrator under Tiberius. In 31 A.D. Seianus was deposed and condemned to death and at the same time many of his appointees were either removed from office with him or were called into question. If Seianus were indeed Pilate’s patron, his removal would have weakened Pilate’s resolve and undermined his relationship with Rome. There may have indeed been questions regarding whether or not Pilate was a friend of Rome or not.
Political Difficulties In a manner of speaking, the early 30’s were a period of political difficulties at the highest levels of government in Rome with Pilate’s fortunes being considerably intertwined. The character of Pilate may be described as randomly harsh, lacking resolve, and relatively unconcerned with local religious traditions. From several incidents of Pilate’s tenure in Judea (26-36 A.D.), there is ample evidence to suggest that the prefect would haphazardly force allegiance to Roman ways of life while not considering the religious ramifications.
Pilate’s quelling of the supposed rebellion on Mount Gerezim in Samaria, although subsequent to Christ’s death, reveals a man who reacted cruelly to a supposed rebellion without carefully analyzing the situation. The picture of Pilate is one of a man willing to use force to carry out his edicts, but who was also willing to rescind unpopular edicts if it would keep the peace.
Thus the stage was set for the Roman prefect of Judea to be manipulated into making a harsh decision that he was unwilling to make. But was Pilate really alleviated of responsibility or was he irresponsible? The Passion of the Christ focuses its attention squarely on the Elders of the Jews and removes almost all responsibility from Pilate. Perhaps Pilate’s harshness and cruelty could be marshaled in to support this conclusion, yet there are serious difficulties with this lone viewpoint.
The Gospel of John tells us that there were Roman soldiers at the arrest, a fact that is implied in the Synoptic Gospels by the fact that Pilate does not inquire anything at all of the Jews who deliver Jesus into their hands. The Synoptic Gospels imply that Pilate was already aware of what was going on the night before and does not question the Jews regarding the charges, the earliness of the hour, nor their urgency to condemn Jesus. The Passion removes any Roman involvement in the arrest, and therefore removes these very questions.
Pilate Aware Going back just one week in Jesus’ life may also provide further clues to unraveling the issue of responsibility. Roughly one week before that fateful Friday, Jesus entered Jerusalem from the direction of Bethphage, through the Kidron valley and into the temple. All four gospels report that a large crowd assembled for the event and proclaimed Jesus to be the Messiah in an act that literally fulfilled the prophecy recorded in Psalm 118.
The crowd, it is recorded, unanimously proclaimed Jesus as their king and laid down palm fronds for his donkey to walk on. Located on the northwest corner of the temple is the Antonia Fortress, the personal residence of Pilate while he was in Judea, as well as the home to the Roman garrison. It is unimaginable that Pilate was completely unaware of the events of the triumphal entry, and those events must have been reported to him in some form.
The temple had always been a hotbed of contention under Roman rule, and the prefects and later procurators had learned to expect uprisings associated with the temple. In this instance, it is likely that Pilate was tracking Jesus’ movements from the moment of the triumphal entry, and therefore, it is likely that John was correct to include Roman soldiers in the arrest story. Pilate could not let a public uprising, such as is suggested in the triumphal entry go unchecked, and therefore would be keenly interested in any further developments in this new messianic movement.
Sanhedrin Trial The Sanhedrin trial, if it can be called such, is a major component of Jesus’ final hours. The Passion represents their proceedings as the work of a semi-organized mob directed by a man, Caiaphas, who has a personal vendetta for Jesus. Caiaphas appears to personally direct the trial and condemn Jesus on the grounds that he has committed blasphemy. It is also Caiaphas who calls for the removal of members of the Sanhedrin who question the proceedings, a fact that is not mentioned in the four gospels.
This picture presents several major difficulties. First, Caiaphas was known for his pro-Roman attitude and served longer than any other High Priest during the Roman occupation of Judea. He kept the peace with Rome and was rewarded for it. The family of Ananias, which includes his son-in-law Caiaphas, was very influential in first century Judea and maintained a chokehold on Jewish religious affairs for nearly three decades.
It is likely that Pilate was made aware of the proceedings of the Sanhedrin and also had some direct involvement in using it as a fact-finding inquisition. Caiaphas may have knowingly played on Pilate’s fear of a popular uprising by Jesus’ followers and goaded him into arresting Jesus with the help of Roman soldiers. The involvement of the Romans seems absolutely necessary to guarantee that there was no popular uprising, a concern for Pilate, and capture Jesus away from the crowds, something Caiaphas had been unable to do.
The roles of Pilate and Caiaphas in connection with the Sanhedrin are so intertwined that it would be irresponsible to suggest that one of them were alone responsible for the condemnation and death of Jesus. Pilate was in sole command of Judean politics and was the only earthly person who could have released Jesus. Caiaphas and a small band of Jewish leaders may have been legitimately afraid of the growing popularity of Jesus and his followers (John 11:47-54). The image of a bloodthirsty Caiaphas is not derived from the gospels, but is a loose interpretation of the events portrayed therein. Caiaphas’ personal lust for the death of Jesus in The Passion is an inaccuracy.
Huge Crowds ? The film further portrays huge crowds who shout for the death of Jesus and throw stones at him while he is carrying his cross to Golgotha. This universal hatred of Jesus, amplified by the fact that Jesus has been beaten nearly to death, may be directed to evoke sympathy for Jesus. The problem with this picture is that it overlooks the crowds of Jesus’ followers who are equally present in the gospels. They were the ones who shouted at his arrival during the triumphal entry and are also the ones who caught the attention of the Pharisees (John 12:19). The misconception, one that is carried out in The Passion, is that Jesus’ followers were so insignificant in number as to be inconsequential, that they hid, or that they changed their minds about Jesus.
The gospels, however, reveal a different picture of the events of the Jewish and Roman trials of Jesus. For the most part, their proceedings were carried on privately, away from the crowds who were likely preparing for the Passover feast. The gospels do not indicate that any significant crowd was aware of what went on during the arrest and arraignment of Jesus on Thursday evening and that Jesus was likely crucified before they could gather in any sufficient number.
The picture of the events of Thursday night and Friday morning tell the story of collaboration, stealth, and swiftness. Could the Jews and Romans have come together to make such an important decision without some previous collaboration? The misconception of The Passion is that it alleviates the Romans of almost all responsibility while at the same moment placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Jews. It is important that we differentiate between artistic license and historical reality. The motivation of Pilate, Caiaphas, and the Sanhedrin are important in understanding the full ramifications of the Atonement. The alternate voice presented in The Passion is in many respects different from our own.
Brutality and the Atonement Another important issue is the question of what physically happened in the Atonement. In The Passion, the idea is presented that the Atonement was efficacious because of the sheer brutality of Jesus’ punishments. The Atonement is a question of endurance in the face of overwhelming physical torture and pain, and in one instance Jesus surprises his captors by standing in the face of such incredible pain. Jesus’ fortitude causes his captors to redouble their efforts in flogging him and at the end; one is left to wonder how anyone could survive such extreme brutality. In essence, the Atonement is the product of endurance, personal fortitude, and incredible strength.
The popular conception of Roman brutality plays into this manner of thinking. Satan offers Jesus and easier way in the Garden of Gethsemane, suggesting to Jesus that no one can endure such hardships. Is this really the reason that the Atonement was effective? Undoubtedly the floggings, beatings, and physical punishments were unbearable, but the Atonement was not effective solely because it was the most painful death anyone had ever experienced. The cross was part of a triad of events that worked together to effect the Atonement. No single act brought it about; it required the pain of the Garden, the suffering on the cross, and the glory of the Resurrection to be complete. Focusing solely on the physical brutality of the event causes the authors to rely on stereotypical attitudes of Pilate, the Romans, and the Sanhedrin.
For the past three years, a team of Brigham Young University professors has been seeking to answer these very questions and trying to formulate their responses using the most accurate information available. Their conclusions have been published in the volume From the Last Supper through the Resurrection: The Savior’s Final Hours (edited by Richard Neitzel Holzapfel and Thomas A. Wayment; Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 2003). Perhaps unsurprisingly, these scholars come to very different conclusions on some of the most important events associated with the condemnation and death of Jesus Christ.
The project was initiated independently in an effort to look at these very questions as openly as possible. Movies such as The Passion, and articles in popular magazines such as Newsweek are grabbing headlines and offering solutions to problems such as who was responsible for the death of Jesus. Often their responses are undermined by their popular audience, a concern addressed in the making of The Passion of the Christ. Their views, however, are not necessarily in harmony with ours.
A more balanced approach can be seen in their work through the words of Eric D. Huntsman, “In the end, however, the type and timing of the scourging are not in and of themselves important. Instead, the fulfillment of prophecies regarding this suffering make it a fundamental part of the Atonement accomplished by Jesus Christ.” (p.316) Another excerpt from their work is also helpful in discussing these very issues. “Solid evidence exists to suggest that certain of Jesus’ actions and teachings caused great rumblings within the Jerusalem hierarchy. . . . At the same time, however, Jesus was planning His own demise and was well aware of what would ultimately come to pass. His disciples were being trained to lead the Church in His absence, and they were also warned of what would eventually happen.”(p. 448) The results of their research are easily accessible to the reader and offer a wealth of information. More importantly, they provide doctrinally sound answers in light of the extremes of the modern media.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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#5048 - 02/26/04 11:00 PM
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Hmm.
I don't know what differences there are between it and the Gospels. I have heard that Mr. Gibson took extreem care to stay as truthful as possible to them. I don't think that Mr. Gibson ever claimed perfection of his film or that it was inerrant in any way. From every interview I have heard he has said that it was his intent to show the audience a visual image of "having the sins of all mankind heaped on one man" might look like. Mr. Gibson has said again and again that the world's recognition of what Christ endured for us has been so glossed over that many do not have the faith nor the understanding that they rightly should. Of </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Without having seen it I think that it can be a great evengelical tool and it is up to the saved to be sensitive to people who have seen it and have no scriptural grounding. So that we are able to not just hear but to perceive their unspoken questions and minister to them where they are and at the level of their understanding.
Thanks for posting that article. I don't disagree with ya Joel, I just see it in a bit of a different light.
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#5049 - 02/27/04 07:53 AM
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I also think the film will be a powerful converter for those who haven't really pondered Christ's sacrifice or fully grasped the amount of suffering. However, it sounds to me like it plays up to the traditionally catholic emphasis on Christ's suffering as opposed to Christ's Triumph in the resurrection (which truly was the final and defining moment of the atonement). That would probably irritate me.
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#5050 - 02/27/04 09:24 AM
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Don't remember the suffering being as emphasized as the resurrection itslef. Unless you mean Catholics praying the stations of the cross. Actually, it was made quite clear to us kids back then that NOT even His birth celebrated by Christmas was as significant as the resurrection on Easter Sunday.
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#5051 - 02/27/04 10:04 AM
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I don't forsee myself seeing it, due to how graphic it is.
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#5052 - 02/27/04 11:12 AM
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Praying the stations of the cross -- that's it. I've never been a Catholic, only my wife was. That is however exactly what I'm thinking of. That and the fact that upon stepping inside a cathedral, you cannot escape the cross, a symbol of Christ's death and not his ressurection.
I've also never understood why the Cross is the symbol of Christianity. I mean countless souls have been crucified, thousands before Jesus and thousands after. There is nothing unique about the Cross itself. However, Christ was the first man to be resurrected. That was unique and that was the fulfillment of his mission. (That is also why you don't see Crosses in LDS/Mormon architecture.)
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#5053 - 02/27/04 12:12 PM
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There are crosses/crucifixes that Jesus is NOT nailed to. His arms reach up and they are known as the risen Christ. He also wears a crown not a crown of thorns that is known as Christ the King. Some risen Christ crosses make him appear with no crown of any sort and the usual robes of the time.
I've noticed that Crucifixes seem more of a Catholic thing. Crosses for Christians in genereal or the Fish Symbol.
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#5054 - 02/27/04 02:28 PM
Re: Mel Gibson Directs 'The Passion'
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Yeah, I'm aware of that, and I like that image (resurrected Christ) far better.
Also, I think I've now spelled ressurected more ways than I think are feasible.
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#5057 - 02/29/04 10:26 PM
Re: Mel Gibson Directs 'The Passion'
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Not to make it a material thing but just for the novelty of the numbers.
The movie did 76.2 milllion this weekend beating the totals of all 12 other movies in the theaters combined.... In its first five days it did 117.5 million which places it seventh in all time box office openings.
I am glad that people are supporting it and let us all pray that ANYONE who sees it gets changed for the better and pointed towards GOD
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