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#33034 - 08/09/05 12:14 PM New Gay church
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new church for gay believers
Jubilee Fellowship to hold open house at Lexington site
By Frank E. Lockwood
HERALD-LEADER STAFF WRITER

Jubilee Fellowship describes itself as Christ-centered, spirit-filled, Bible-based and open and affirming.

In other words, it's a Pentecostal-style, gay-friendly church, and it's coming to Lexington.

The Rev. Cori Wood, the new congregation's pastor, is a fervent, tongues-speaking, Scripture-quoting preacher.

She's also a lesbian.

When she's not speaking about homosexuality, Wood sounds like thousands of other conservative preachers. She teaches that the Bible is God's word, Jesus is the only way to salvation, hell is real, and the Second Coming is imminent. She's anti-abortion, too.

"Probably with most of my evangelical brothers and sisters in this town, we would agree on 99 percent," she said. "I believe it grieves the heart of God that that 1 percent keeps us from being able to worship together and serve together."

For the past two years, Wood has led a small pro-gay Bible study, drawing six to 10 people each week. Today, Jubilee Fellowship is having an open house in its new building, a former printing shop on Loudon Avenue. On Sunday, the group will hold its first worship service.

Jubilee Fellowship is unusual, but it isn't unique.

Across America, small, predominantly gay Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are forming in Tampa, Fla.; Little Rock, Ark.; and San Jose, Calif.

Louisville has two. Nashville has at least one. There's even a congregation outside LaPorte, Ind.

These churches' teachings about human sexuality are considered heretical by leading Pentecostal bodies. Read the article here
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Can any one say a firey grave and a one way ticket to all damnation? SPIRIT FILLED how fake does this make our churches look when some one mocks us like this
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#33035 - 08/09/05 02:30 PM Re: New Gay church
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Hey NE21, thanks for the info. smile

We need to tread lightly in these areas. While we are clear on what the bible says and it goes against everything we belive to be true, only God can judge someone's heart. A preacher who leads a flock onto a sinful path will be held accountable and it will be a severe situation.

I do believe that these folks love God with all their hearts, I just think that the enemy has them blinded to the truth and they are very misguided.

We shouldbe in prayer for them that the Lord will remove the scales from their eyes and they will finally see the truth.
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#33036 - 08/09/05 02:48 PM Re: New Gay church
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no it's wrong...an abomination...extremely insulting as well
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#33037 - 08/09/05 07:25 PM Re: New Gay church
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AS much as I hate gays (and oh yea, I hate gays), would you still be against them if the bible didn't preach against them?

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#33038 - 08/09/05 08:01 PM Re: New Gay church
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Why do you hate gays? I don't hate anyone. I don't believe in the lifestyle that they are living, but that is between them and God.

They are human beings that God created that have the same feelings, goals, dreams and hopes as we do. They are just blinded by the sin they are under.

Have you been hurt by a homosexual?
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#33039 - 08/09/05 08:33 PM Re: New Gay church
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okay, i HAVE to say it .. can't stand it anymore ......

What kind of christian can we call ourselves if we "hate" or call others abominations ? gays deserve to love GOD as well as you or i do, if not more. period.
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#33040 - 08/10/05 12:18 AM Re: New Gay church
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hmmm... those with hate in their hearts cannot enter heaven - pretty plain.

I do understand what he means about the church tho - they are embracing the sin they are in, probably not allowing God to work on it, and advertising each as if it's a good thing. Would be like having a church where polygamy would have to be practiced to be a member wink
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#33041 - 08/10/05 01:55 AM Re: New Gay church
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Embie: Yes. Worse than you can imagine.

Allen: I don't plan on going to heaven.

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#33042 - 08/10/05 06:58 AM Re: New Gay church
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Mouse your other option ain't so peachy!

NE, most people do not get the biblical definition of abomination, meaning spiritually unclean, be ultra careful when and how you use it. Most people look to websters dictionary and it doesn't look like the Hebrew words from 5000 years ago!

It is sad that this woman feels that her unrepentan actions are not sin. THAT is where the line is. It is not that no one wants to worship together it is that we are called to not permit rampant sin from existing in our churches. She plays up the homosexual card well but I would do the same for a pathological liar, a kleptomaniac or any other in unrepentant sin.

If this woman had a group of accountability sisters and she slipped every once in a while and talk to her group about it and repented then she could sit next to me in church and worship. Depending on how often she slipped she could even serve in the church in some capacity. BUT when you release yourself to any sin, then try to deny that it is sin, then the church has no option but to ask you to leave so that you will not drag others down by your lifestyle. Even then Grace can allow restoration!


Pray for them, do not treat them as poison!
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#33043 - 08/10/05 07:58 AM Re: New Gay church
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by anangelsarms:
okay, i HAVE to say it .. can't stand it anymore ......

What kind of christian can we call ourselves if we "hate" or call others abominations ? gays deserve to love GOD as well as you or i do, if not more. period.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">well I dont know about every one else but I call it an abomination because thats what the bible calls it...I dont hate gays and i belive they are intitled to rights like us...But when they start mocking my Go...intentionally or not... then it gets personall

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Allen:
hmmm... those with hate in their hearts cannot enter heaven - pretty plain.

I do understand what he means about the church tho - they are embracing the sin they are in, probably not allowing God to work on it, and advertising each as if it's a good thing. Would be like having a church where polygamy would have to be practiced to be a member wink
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Keep the gloves above the belt...lol tongue
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#33044 - 08/10/05 05:00 PM Re: New Gay church
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Re-read Steve's post regarding 'abomination', I think it means something different from what you think it means.
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#33045 - 08/11/05 08:57 PM Re: New Gay church
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This is why religion in itself (to me) is wrong. It pits us against everyone else for the only reason being that God wills it. Shall we not eat pork because it is written in both Hebrew law and in the Bible? Shall we start killing women labeled as witches simply because they are witches? ("You shall not suffer a witch to live.") Shall we follow someone merely because he says that he is "divine" and that we must follow his every word? Doesn't make sense. Make opinions based on your own thought and not on soem book written by men, not a god.

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#33046 - 08/11/05 09:22 PM Re: New Gay church
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The only ones who say that were are "pitted against" each other (Presumedly the saints vs the sinners) are wrong. There is no conflict except the one that is waged within each of our own bodies where the spirit wars against the flesh.

You said "Make opinions based on your own thought" if we DID use that train of logic then we could justify all sorts of actions.

Lessee.

A man clubs you over the head, takes your wallet and causes partial blindness in one eye, BECAUSE he is hungry and knows you have the means to feed him because you just left an ATM. He has justified his actions because he has a need and has evaulated them against his own thoughts. Could he not do with a more iron clad moral standard?


There MUST be a finite, balck and white moral standard to live by. I saw that you use some ambiguous blanket statments that cover some thoughts in the Old Covenant. If you would like we can go over some of the commands in the Old Testament Scriptures and discuss them one by one and also look at their historical significance as well. You cannot come to a total understanding of scripture until you understand that scripture speaks first to a specific historical incident and secondly to us across time in a broad sense.

Say the word and we will go deep friend!! smile

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#33047 - 08/12/05 12:15 AM Re: New Gay church
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You said it right there.

"Historical Significance"

What use do they have now? Not a whole lot. That's the point I was trying to make there. These old prejudices and hatreds because of what the Bible says, they are based solely on the thoughts and ideas of the people and culture at the time. We cannot take these things into today's world.

However, this does not mean that we have to accept homosexuality. It just means that we cannot paint our fight against it as a holy one. We cannot go around saying that we are right and they are wrong because of soem guy that died eons ag. We must form up our own opinions on why it is not right.

To say that those gays cannot worship and do the same stuff as you is completely wrong and sounds rather hypocritical. You preach about being open and yet, all you are open to is your own views; not others.

Dropping this to my conclusion:

I hate conclusions.

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#33048 - 08/12/05 07:18 AM Re: New Gay church
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Sexual sin is sexual sin.period. sexual purity s a base for family strength. strong famiy, strong country.
if right and wrong and good and bad come from our own thoughts and there is no absolute,, then those lines change. it is called moral relativism and it is foolish, as in "not wise". When man decides what is acceptable and not acceptable by the world's standards you end up with chaos. God's is our guide and our standard of living.morally, and justly and WISELY.
A gay church is nothin new, itis the same as 100's of years ago probably.What is new is the level of acceptance happening. incrementally, the devil lowers our standards of morals by taking God out of our country politically. As Christians we recognize it, without God's standard it seems acceptable. Our own thoughts and conclusions have gotten us into many a mess over the years...as individuals and as a country.
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#33049 - 08/12/05 07:45 AM Re: New Gay church
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hmm, If you do not stand for something, you will inevitably fall for anything....

I never once, and neither have my brothers and sisters, said that they cannot worship and do the same stuff as us. We have simply stated that, if a person surrenders themselves to sin, ANY SIN, then they must be let go from the flock so as not to damage the rest of the flock with thier sinful lifestyle and poor choices. Would you permit a child molester to watch your kids? It is an extreem example but it illustrates that unchecked sin will only propogate itself. BUT By no means does that intimate that they cannot have a relationship with God.

It is all about how much effort you are willing to put into your life. As a Christian we are called to seperate ourselves from the desires of the flesh, for it is those desires, which seem nifty at the time, that cause all kinds of physical and emotional and monetary damage down the line. There is not one single sin that does not have some type of damage associated with it that lasts long after the moment of sin.

You seem hung up on those that are trapped or surrendered into homosexuality but you have not answered my questions about the Liars, Kleptos, Sociopaths etc, who would also be asked to leave.

Also please address the hypothetical situation in my last post about "using our own experience to make moral decisions"

As far as the Old Testament Scriptures go, they have a tremendous amount of significance aside from the historical. They confirm Jesus as the Messiah. They teach us through Job as to how we can keep things in an eternal perspective while things go wrong around us and seasons of hurt are in our lives. They show us a world without grace that is legalistic so that we may contritely apreciate the Grace Covenant that we now have with God. In the Old Testament we see the consistant character of God. You can learn who HE really is, providing of course if you are willing to step outside a few isolated scriptures that reactionarys always use to try and show God as a meanie.


I am open to others views, but just because a person has a view does not make it automatically right. Especially if you are going to try and justify an action that has been ostricized from all societies (not just the judeo-christian) since the beginning of recorded history. Homosexuals make up between 3-5 percent of the population, more per capita now than at any other time in history. It is my firm belief that if there was not the moral ambiguity that there is in this age those numbers would not be as high. We have a moral benchmark to go by just because the calendar has rolled over to the 3rd mellinium since Christ that does not change any absolutes. Right and Wrong do not fade in and out of popularity just because time passes.

Grab hold of eternal values and you will live in eternal peace!
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#33050 - 08/12/05 11:16 AM Re: New Gay church
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Do we remember what Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for? There was a full spectrum of sins but sodomy was one of the main reasons it was destroyed! When the angels of the Lord came to Lot to tell him of Gods plans the men of the town both young and old came to Lots home and wanted "to know them". Lot offered his virgin daughters to them instead of the men but they refused and wanted the men. Lot almost died protecting them!
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#33051 - 08/12/05 02:47 PM Re: New Gay church
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Y'ok. First off: Why on God's Green Earth do you even care? You say that you're saved. Shouldn't that be enough for you? Their sin is their sin, even though it only by you that you say it is a sin.

Secondly: I thought as a follower of Christ you were supposed to acept everyone for who they are?

Thirdly: Lemme get this strait. You believe that you are right because you have the Bible behind you. If you can find a good arguement against it without using the Bible, then I am all ears. But when you use a book written by men (not God, men) to dictate weather someone is evil or not or right or not. Come up with some opinions on your own instead of using the Bible as like a friggin sword.

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#33052 - 08/12/05 03:21 PM Re: New Gay church
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1. Yup, I care that is one of the nifty attributes of Christians.

2. Nope, Forgiveness does not equal permission to conitnue in sin. As followers of Christ we are to love people, many times in spite of themselves and many who have become unlovable. For example I cannot accept Jeffery Dahlmer for who he is/was. HOWEVER I can love him and ache for his soul and all the people he hurt. But he is still wrong.

3. If you haven't noticed I have cut my scripture quoting to almost nil and have use real life examples to which you have yet to craft an actual reply. I really would like to dialogue with you but you have not been responsive. You ask a lot of pointed questions but in all fairness you should answer ours as well!


God bless ya!
Steve
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#33053 - 08/12/05 04:25 PM Re: New Gay church
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To Steve: All right all right, you got me. Haha.

Where and how shall we dialouge? My e-mail is kirbyrules487@juno.com and my messenger name is Kirbyassassin220.

If you can think of another way, please tell me.

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