When I'm at work, I tune into a classic rock radio station. (yes, I know I'm a sinner, but we don't have any contemporary Christian stations here... )

Every month they do a blind date contest where they have a man or woman come into the station and let listeners call in and answer questions and they contestant would choose one. The station would then send them off on this awesome evening of dinner and dancing in a limo and it was a pretty cool thing. Until today...

Today they had on a lesbian looking for a woman for the weekend. I was so dissappointed.
As a Christian, it's one thing to be compassionate and tolerant towards alternative lifestyles, but it's another to watch them being promoted. I won't listen to that station any longer. I just don't think that's appropriate.

Comments?

I agree, and the thought of that makes me sick to my stomach. Goodness whats next same sex marriages. Can you say gross! I know there people too, and want to be happy but I just don't want to see that. I think we should pray for people with confusion on there sexuality.

Brandi, it's not "confusion". They are born homosexuals just the same way as you were born a heterosexual. Feel free to think it's wrong but don't judge other people

That's a highly suspect statement aleina. You won't find any people who have come out of homosexuality say they were "born that way". It is a conscious lifestyle decision, there is no "homo gene".

Here are some points to consider:

1. Homosexual behavior is against the design of human nature. Men and women are indispensable to each other; they aren't interchangeable blocks.

2. The tree of homosexuality bears bad fruits. Sodomitical acts have not only external consequences like death, disease, and childlessness, but internal ones. Some of the internal consequences are psychological, like loneliness and compulsive behavior. Others are moral, for we cannot violate the human design yet expect things to go on as they were; "that road leads down and down."

3. To refuse limits on sexual desire is to make an idol of lust. In our day the most popular false gods aren't cats and crocodiles, but youth, beauty, money, fame, and sex. When a person pursues sexual desire even against the design of human nature -- even at the risk of protracted and agonizing death; even when to do so she must overcome shame and disgust over her own acts -- then it's a pretty safe bet that sexual desire has become her idol.

Here are some answers to people's objections about the traditional Christian view of homosexuality:

1. "You shouldn't impose your morality on other people." Who is imposing what on whom? These days you can't even see a Calvin Klein commercial without being bombarded with homosexual imagery. Pedophile organizations regularly march in Gay Pride parades. If you tell your dormitory authorities that you don't want a roommate who digs your body, you may be required to attend pro-homosexuality re-education sessions.

2. "Gays aren't hurting anybody." It may make an impression on your friend that they are hurting each other. Does your friend know that the rate of syphilis among women who practice lesbianism is 19 times what it is among other women?

3. "God made them that way." If God made them that way, how is it that thousands have been able to escape the homosexual life?

4. "What if it's a loving, committed relationship?" The idea behind this objection is that same-sex mating is just like marriage -- except that it's with the same sex. It isn't. Research by Alan R. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg shows that "close-coupled" homosexuals don't stop cruising, they just cruise less. Homosexual activist Andrew Sullivan say that heterosexuals should learn from the homosexual example to get over their hang-up about marital faithfulness. The committed homosexual relationship is a myth.

5. "You hate people like me." Your friend should already know that you love her. If loving enough to tell the truth gently sounds like hatred to those who don't want to hear it, you have done all you can; the Lord will understand.

- Taken from an excellent article here:
http://www.boundless.org/2000/departments/theophilus/a0000463.html

Not to mention that the Bible talks about it clearly.

Spoken by God to a man on homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

On crossdressing:

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.

And those are just two examples. One of the reasons God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was because of their immorality. It specifically says that their men laid with the men and their women with the women...

I don't see how it can get any more plain than that.

I know that some women are born with more testosterone and some men posess female hormones, but there is therapy for that...and there have been so many people free from the homosexual lifestyle who say that it was bondage the whole time they were trapped in it, and not because of society frowning on it either. Just because they were so miserable. I don't hate homosexuals, but yes, the idea of homosexuality does turn my stomach. It is wrong. I'm not saying that all homosexuals are going to hell, blah blah...no, it's not my place to judge. But it's unatural, and it's not the way God intended things to be any more than God intended us to sleep with animals. It's not the way we were designed, and the Bible says so.

Why did God just not create two men? Just for procreation's sake? Why didn't he give men all the organs necessary for having children if He intended for men to sleep with other men? Why didn't he give women sperm to be able to impregnate other women?

He didn't intend for it to be that way...

Ok, let's start short and simple (if that's even possible). Scientist have started mapping the human DNA system or whatever (I'm only 16, I don't watch much news), and they have proven that there is no gay gene. None. Zero. End of story. That proves people aren't born queer. It's a decision, and a very bad one at that.

Number two: Who here has heard of the two cities called Sodom & Gommorah ? They were called "The Evil Cities" and were destroyed by God and His angels. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE FULL OF DIRTY LITTLE HOMOS!!! Then God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt because she looked back- in other words was going to miss it. TSK TSK TSK.

Number three: God put us on the Earth to spread His news and/or "multiply and spread among the lands". Now, how can you do that with a guy/guy or a girl/girl combonation?

AND FINALLY... point number four: God mad Adam and Eve... not Adam and Steve...

Sorry if I offended anybody with any derogatory terms in my last post. I get real mad when talking about gays... I really don't like them...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by aleina:
Brandi, it's not "confusion". They are born homosexuals just the same way as you were born a heterosexual. Feel free to think it's wrong but don't judge other people </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, i'm just going to state now that i'm not judging anybody by being homosexual. I know somebody whose mom is a lesbian, and I'm in winterguard where most of the guys in it are gay. So, I definitely know that they were not born homosexual. I agree with Michele... "[God] didn't intend for it to be that way."

Just a few sayings I like to use when I am approached by this stuff:

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and STEVE.
and
Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Um... wow.

"Dirty little homos" has got to be my favorite quote there.

Okay--you don't agree with the sin--fine. To say you don't like them is sick, disturbing, sad, and really quite ignorant. You don't like someone based on a decision that they made for THEIR PERSONAL LIFE. Not yours. Christ on a cracker. What does it matter if they want to be gay? It doesn't effect you. That's like me not liking you because you like rap music.

I think I'll quote from my journal about now:

"I don't think it's something you're BORN with, like genetically predetermined or what have you...

But it's not a choice, really..

I kind of like to compare it with your tastes in food... I LOVE broccoli and I HATE water chestnuts. Is that in my genes? Is there a water chestnut gene? I don't know...

But do I CHOOSE to like broccoli and hate water chestnuts? No. I just don't. Maybe I had a bad experience with water chestnuts, maybe my environment influenced me to hate them, maybe living with a family who loves broccoli made me like broccoli more... But none of that is for sure...

And if I were put through years of rigorous 'broccoli is the devil and water chestnuts are the food of god' training, could I teach myself to think that I enjoy chestnuts and hate broccoli? I could probably teach myself to effectively pretend to hate broccoli and love water chestnuts, but deep down my preference would always lie with broccoli."

Okay--so you don't like that they're homosexuals. You don't have to. But don't bash them. What does it matter if they want to get married? That's stupid that they can't be. Especially in a supposedly "free" country. I'm so sick of gay bashing. Jebus.

THIS is partly what makes me question my christianity. Do I really want to be classified with people like the one above? What about loving people? Get off your high horse and lose the hate. You're not above them. God sees all sins the same--so the gay bashing you just did makes you guilty of homosexuality itself as well.

(That is if homosexuality is a sin.)

I am very angry right now...

Why are you angry Ashley? It's good to discuss issues, but we really don't allow any bashing here. I need to go back and read more closely what was written to tell.

The bible does state pretty clearly that homosexual activity is an abomination in His eyes. But it still goes back to hating the sin and loving the sinner. Their choice in sexual lifestyle doesn't make them any less worthy of Grace. The church I go to has several homosexual people attending that are seeking the truth. Some have come out of the lifestyle, some are still seeking. Through it all they've seen the love and acceptance that can be found in Christ. Sin is still sin, but we've all fallen short and we're all working toward that straight and narrow path. It's not for us to judge, my earlier comments were only that the lifestyle is a choice, it's not something forced on you. You do make a conscious decision to not eat broccoli, whether you happen to like eating it or not really doesn't affect your choice to eat it. 99% of our tastes in food are related to how we were brought up, if our parents offered it to us as babies/toddlers, we ate it then and we do now... my nephews love broccoli.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ashley:

THIS is partly what makes me question my christianity. Do I really want to be classified with people like the one above? What about loving people? Get off your high horse and lose the hate. You're not above them. God sees all sins the same--so the gay bashing you just did makes you guilty of homosexuality itself as well.

(That is if homosexuality is a sin.)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, this message board isn't to get into any fights. It's to state our views, find comfort from one another, and find Christian support. Now, I can understand why you're mad, Ashley.
I just hope you weren't mad at me...I told you that I wasn't judging anybody.

I agree with you when you said, "God sees all sins the same." But, I'm going to have to say that homosexuaility is a sin. It's against the Bible, and it is morally wrong. I try not to judge others because I know it's not my place to do so. So...getting back onto the topic....

OK, I see where you read the "dirty little homos" comment.

For those who get a little "riled up" when speaking about any particular subject.. remember what Jesus would do:
"Let he that is without sin cast the first stone."

I'll have more to say in a minute.

Glad we don't have to worry about our Steve then...

But seriously...we really should be careful about how we address homosexuals and how we treat them. You have to remember that they are also God's children and He loves them as much as He loves you and me. In the Lord's eyes, sin is sin is sin. And the fact that they are sinning in the flesh does not make them any more vile than those of us who are lying for lusting. It is our own humanness that puts the emotion to it.

I know a couple people that are gay. Doesn't make them awful people, makes them sinners, just like me. The difference is that they remain in the sin and while practicing that lifestyle, do not come to repentence.

I have had a man mail me who considered himself a Christian asking me why God wouldn't change him? He said he had prayed for years to be changed. He couldn't understand God's silence. What I tried to tell him was that God isn't a genie in a bottle. That He expects us to carry our crosses. He will help us, but He doesn't just take it all away. Just like the overweight woman crying for God to make her thin. She's never going to wake up one morning without the weight. God can guide and inspire, but the work has to be hers.

So back to homosexuals...what are your thoughts? Should they be allowed to worship in church when we have full knowledge of their sinful lifestyle?

...and...I do believe that in prayer and with God's help, homosexuals can change and turn away from that way of life. I don't think it is easy, nor do I think it's immediate, but I think that it happens...

Sarah and Allen, I wasn't angry with either of the things you said. The post before yours is the one that made me very ill.

As for water chestnuts.

I see the two issues linked. You see, my mom and my brothers like water chestnuts... I mean, it's not their favorite food, but they eat them every now and then. My dad and I hate everything about them. Yet again, I'm the only one in my family who will eat ketchup and mustard. Everyone else likes BBQ sauce, while I can't stand it. It's not that I CHOOSE to like ketchup... just like they don't CHOOSE to like BBQ sause. It's just what they like. They can't help that. It's just like I can't help that I like boys (Ketchup). If I liked girls (BBQ sauce) it wouldn't be something I could help--it's just what I like, and what I don't.

Probably the best way to speak to this can be found in Romans, chapter 5. Please consider it when discussing such matters.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">None of us can make it to heaven on our own, we all fall short. Yet, Christ died for us even before we asked for it, all of us. Consider His Love and Grace before condemning someone else for sin in their own life.

That last point was to prove that what my parents fed me as a child isn't always what I eat now. I was fed fish sticks a lot as a child, and now I HATE fish.

Embie: They should be allowed to worship. That would be awful if they couldn't based on something outside of the church.

The last comment--I don't have an opinion.

heheh... the foods we like to eat and what we eat because we'll die if we don't eat are a little difficult to compare to this. Just because we have a huge variety of food in America to choose from, doesn't mean we "can't help not liking water chestnuts". If you live in a country where all you have to eat are water chestnuts, you'll like them a lot. Whether you like a particular food or not doesn't mean that you can't choose to eat it anyway. Our life cannot be solely based on whether it "feels good/ tastes good/ etc." Hey, to be painfully blunt, I like sex with a female... actually I love it. But I choose to not have it, mainly because it is sin, complicates things, etc.

It would be nice to have a homosexual person on here that was open-minded enough to share why they choose what they choose, and not blame it on "I can't help it". I know of one at my church that might join in the conversation... I saw him Wednesday night. He came out of the homosexual lifestyle about 6 months ago after nearly commiting suicide. He found my pastor to talk to on the way to do it. The water hose he had just bought to put from the car tailpipe to his car window was instead used to fill the baptistry that night. /

Anyways, gotta run. You guys play nice until I can check back tomorrow

So you should force yourself to be with the opposite sex because "it's a sin" according to some christians? I find it hard to believe that that's how the system works.