Glad you posted that, embie...that last paragraph is basically what I've been trying to say.

So when you "do it" just for the feeling of it, does that constitute as lust of the flesh? No, you're not lusting after someone, no you may even be thinking about laundry as Allen so eloquently stated...but Steve said that when adolescents begin to do it just for the sensation, it could become lust of the flesh...anyone wanna elaborate on that?

I don't think we'll find many answers over what we already have, but we can keep talkin if'n it helps you a bit

obviously the amplified version

But probably ther best scripture to read in this brings back up what the dawg said in the beginning here: Galations Chapter 5

Some highlights:

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

- If you believe that you "really have to do it" then you are in bondage/slavery to it, whether it is sinful in someone else's eyes or not. It would be the same as with someone who eats themselves overweight, drinks themselves drunk, smokes cigarettes after every meal, when waking up, etc. (oops, stepping on some toes ), etc. It is something you are allowing to control you, you aren't controlling it. There is a freedom from that that can be found.

"A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough."

- allowing something in that maybe technically ok, may open the door for other things that seem a little more ok.

"You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love."

- again, a call for freedom.

"So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want."

- that you may have life and live it more abundantly.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."

I can't say it any better.

Is it sinful? Who knows, we'll never find that out, depends on your intent and thought processes. If it is something that you allow to control your waking thoughts, then there is freedom available from that.

Once again, very informative...and right on the lines of the type of answer I was looking for. Thanks.

Good scripture!!

The bible always gets the best of rhetoric in any argument!

617mph!!!

...somebody give that man a cigar...

not so much a comment on the subject as interesting title for the post.....sorry, I had to say it....I know others were thinking it.

just get a tattoo...that'll curb any desires for a while.

Hahaha... Lex--I commented on that in GW.

I didn't mean it like that--wasn't even thinking it. But looking back, how odd.

right right right.. it was an accident...

650!!!

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

i dont get it. it has been a while since i read this post, what does the mph mean ? elaborate.

miles per hour!

but i still dont get it. oh well, ill click to it one day.

way back on page 1 or 2 there is a link to something, I wasn't able to bring it up but it seems like a game to me.

Yes, it was a game.

http://www.flamjam.com/spank/

argh, been married a while and my speed has dropped to 240mph

walking away, walking quietly away.........

244mph.
the monkey has been officially spanked.