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#27193 - 02/02/02 11:19 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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Ashley...don't be confused! I was talking to whit! He was talking about thinking impure thoughts!
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#27194 - 02/02/02 11:19 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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Good answer Whit, but I for one will be really bummed if God says..."Nah...I didn't care about that..."

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#27195 - 02/02/02 11:22 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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Michelle: Oh, I wasn't confused. I was just rethinking that post. We're a lot alike?


Embie: Hahahahahahaha roflsmmch!!!!
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#27196 - 02/02/02 11:43 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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yeah, ash...you say alot of the things I think. smile
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#27197 - 02/03/02 11:29 AM Re: Touchy subject...
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Good to know that ONE person doesn't think I'm crazy.
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#27198 - 02/03/02 07:35 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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I dunno 'bout that. I always thought I was crazy...maybe we both are! tongue

Naaah...I think maybe we're the only sane ones. laugh
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#27199 - 02/03/02 07:51 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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Define "sane" tongue

Seriously, the gist of it I think is sex belongs within a marriage, anything you do besides that is well not-so-good wink

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#27200 - 02/03/02 07:55 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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i dont know the exact verse but Jesus said that if you sin in mind it's the same as sinning in the flesh
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#27201 - 02/03/02 08:25 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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I don't want to get all graphic here...

But what if you're "thinking" about it with your future spouse? Then, technically, you're not thinking about sinning. It's pure in your mind.
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#27202 - 02/03/02 08:33 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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future thinking = fantasizing = lust... smash

Just clear your mind... deep breaths... One, One Thousand; Two, One Thousand... laugh
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#27203 - 02/03/02 08:36 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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yeah but you're not really married to that person wink

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#27204 - 02/03/02 08:39 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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That I can answer...! The Bible says that if we lust after someone, then we have allready sinned...and if you are thinking about it with your future husband, then it's not really pure, because doing it with your future husband wouldn't be pure until he is no longer your future husband but your husband...

Heck, if the sin stage ended as soon as you got engaged, I would prolly be engaged right now just so I could be pure!! eek ROFLOL tongue help
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#27205 - 02/04/02 03:24 AM Re: Touchy subject...
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Ok...this may seem crazy but on the subject...My cousin is a Christian but has kept many world views because she sees them as right. Well one of those is masturtion. She taught a small group when she was in college about the good affects of it. Well on a strictly physical basis, leaving the mind out of it, masturbation is said to be by many doctors as a very healthy thing to do.i dont know what you would do. This is just a practice i dont choose to engage in. If you even have doubts about it, you shouldnt be doing it! Anymore thoughts?

Erin Grace jumpy
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#27206 - 02/04/02 04:06 AM Re: Touchy subject...
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Somehow I missed this topic laugh

The verses you guys are talking about is in Matthew Chapter 5 or so right after He talks about be-attitudes.

Hold on.. gotta go get my notes from today's service.

Nevermind, they are outside and it's almost 2am, I'll try from memory. No comments from the peanuts™ gallery tongue

Is it sin? Yes and no - 99 times outta 100 lust is part of the equation... Will it make you go blind? My eyesight is... ummmm.. never you mind about my eyesight shocked The actual act itself is probably not considered sin, as you aren't bringing someone else into the equation. Lust probably comes in before the act even begins.

Matthew 5:27,28
"You have heard that it was said, `Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

The nocturnal emmissions were most like what we call wet dreams - in those days many things were deemed "unclean" and mainly so that disease and its modes of transmission would be minimized - the same deal was done with women during their monthly cycle - neither are unnatural or sinful, just normal bodily functions.

We can face it, 95% of all males (prolly 99%) have or do masturbate and I believe the figure is ~80% or more for women. Does "commoness" make it right? No, but don't beat yourself up over it... as white-dog said: die daily to the flesh...

Here's a scripture to consider. Written by the man who wrote 2/3 of the New Testament and considered to be the strongest Christian who ever lived.

Philippians 3:12-14 (paraphrased)
Not that I ... have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Paul is saying he cannot live up to the perfection he expects in himself and understands that the journey is more important than the destination. Live your life "holy and acceptable" before God. When you stumble, get back up and continue on the journey. Feed the good dog in your life with prayer, bible study, fellowship with other Christians and starve the bad dog of lust by not visiting those sites, reading those magazines, viewing those movies, etc. The good dog will win more often than not. Just remember it's a daily battle...


[note: no double-entendres meant anywhere, embie tongue
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#27207 - 02/04/02 10:29 AM Re: Touchy subject...
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None taken Allen tongue

and BTW...contacts work wonders, don't they?

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#27208 - 02/04/02 06:42 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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they help tongue
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#27209 - 02/04/02 10:29 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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So does a nice cocktail right before I take mom out to drive. For her... Not me. laugh
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#27210 - 02/25/02 01:57 PM Re: Touchy subject...
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That helps her vision? tongue
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#27211 - 06/07/02 12:54 AM Re: Touchy subject...
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While we are on the subject... (weren't we?) Here's a new game I found tonight. My personal best is 257mph ruff

http://www.vectorlounge.com/04_amsterdam/jam/flamjam.html
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#27212 - 06/07/02 12:57 AM Re: Touchy subject...
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well, you guys should be "masters" of that domain

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