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#25912 - 01/20/00 02:33 PM subversive masculinity
Mango Offline
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The upcoming newsletter will deal with intimacy, both between us and God, and between each other.
I would like the guys to discuss here why we should remain celibate until marriage, and I don't want "because the Bible says so". There is an article on www.boundless.org entitled "subversive masculinity" with some great points, but it is written for guys by a female. I want a real man's perspective on this. Go ahead and read it, I will wait here... (For the ladies, there is an equally good article entitled subversive virginity ).
Through already? Good! Now discuss...

But I must,
Mango
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#25913 - 02/11/00 08:35 AM Re: subversive masculinity
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celibacy until marriage?

'cuz the bible sez...

(oh wait, not allowed to use that one.)

well, i'm a 23 year old male, if you so desired to know. and, to make a long story short, i just got married in october of 1999. i managed to maintain sexual purity until marriage, for which i am eternally thankful. you see, my new wife is the most precious gift that God has granted me, and physical intimacy is one of the greatest things that two people can share with each other. for me to have spent that gift with someone else previously would mean that it is one area of my married life that i couldn't say belongs to my wife and I alone.

did that make sense?

what i'm trying to say is... i believe in celibacy until marriage because sexuality is not something that should be tossed around carelessly. it is a privelege to be able to share it with one person only. you're not "cheating " yourself out if you wait. far from it.

i know many people who have been promiscuous in their earlier years. after they eventually get married, not one of them expressed satisfaction with their earlier trysts. they all express regret and shame for it.

that's my 2 cents worth. but then again, who the heck am i?

your friend,
scottie.

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#25914 - 03/08/00 12:57 AM Re: subversive masculinity
STEVO777 Offline
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Registered: 01/23/00
Posts: 16
Loc: San Antonio
well i feel it we shouldn't ,not just because it's a sin , but for us emotionaly it can tear us down, make us feal unworthy and out of God's grace. In the bible it talks about gaurding our sister's in Christ heart against others. Although as pleasureable and exciting as it may be, as with all sin , it only last for a season then you feel worthless. A person may never really knows what they gave up (thier bodies) until it's to late
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#25915 - 03/10/00 09:37 PM Re: subversive masculinity
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Loc: Beaumont, TX,USA
I wish I could answer the same way that Scottie did but I can't. My virginity was lost at a very---very young age. I was unsure what I was doing and it is one of my biggest regrets to date. However, In reality, I think it is harder for those that have already "tasted of the fruit" to then give it up because of "how good it tastes." And let's face it "It tastes good!" But, the reason that I fight for abstenance (and I choose the word fight because it is the hardest battle I have) is because of two fold.
1st--it takes a lot more powerful man to refrain from sex than it does to engage in sex. Think about it, anyone can have sex, but it takes an elite mentality to abstain. Those that want to excell past the average will sacrafice the most.
2nd--having sex with someone hinders thier walk and how would God look at me if I held someone back from reaching Him? THINK ABOUT IT!!!
Again, I am not saying that I have won this particular battle, but I do fight it everyday and I never lie to myself that it is anything less than what it is--a sin!!

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#25916 - 03/30/00 01:22 AM Re: subversive masculinity
Steve Offline
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Hi I just popped in from my home board, got a link from allen. God bless you folks over here!!!

I would like to say that virginal unity is part of God's plan. Aside from the obvious threat of sexually transmitted disease. It is a proven fact that in girls having multi-partner sex life causes a geometric increase in the possibilities of cervical cancer in their thirties and fourties. Here is part of a message I wrote on divorce/relationship and covenants.

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#25917 - 03/31/00 02:02 AM Re: subversive masculinity
whit-Dawg Offline

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slattier----you rock !!!!!
I wish you were here to run a mens bible study for us ---hey maybe we should have an online men's bible study weekly. Whatzzzz yaaa think? let me know.
innerdawg

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#25918 - 04/01/00 09:36 PM Re: subversive masculinity
Steve Offline
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Hidee ho easterly neighbor! (whit-dawg) I sure wish I could commit to a schedule, but I am stretched pretty thin as it is. I will however pop in when ever I can to stir things up as it were.

An add to my post above, I also blew my virginity early. It is one of the top two regrets I have to date. Just the thought of not even being able to honor my wife with that (Let alone God) still bothers me, and I have been married 8 years now. I know that God has forgiven me of those sins in my past and made me new again, but there is still a feeling of loss.

God bless you!

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#25919 - 05/05/00 03:54 PM Re: subversive masculinity
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I am not a guy, but can I tell how I feel?
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#25920 - 05/08/00 04:34 AM Re: subversive masculinity
Steve Offline
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Posts: 6878
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Go right ahead! Just please type slow so us guys can get it! LOL

God bless!

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#25921 - 05/08/00 03:33 PM Re: subversive masculinity
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Registered: 04/13/00
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Loc: Liberty and Moss Hill
I also believe in staying sexually pure until marriage. I was taught that since I was very little. I have had friends that wasted theirs at very young ages. For example, when I was in elementary a very good friend did it with a high schooler. Today they are married but it doesn't always turn out like that. She has had about 5 abortions since we were in elementary. She is 17, now, and has one child. She has a type of uncurable cervical cancer. Others have had multiple partners.

In my opinion, I think that guys that have blew their virginity early, if they are truely sorry and tell their wives that, and GOD has forgave them, girls have no right to be mad at them or hold grudges. Just pray that GOD will forgive you, first, then go to the person that you 'violated' sexually and ask for their forgiveness...it will show how big a man you are!!

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#25922 - 05/08/00 08:13 PM Re: subversive masculinity
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Loc: Nederland,TX
so true so true! U go Nicole!

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