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#13632 - 11/04/04 08:31 AM What do you believe?
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Hey everyone...have u ever wanted to decribe things to someone but u was afraid that you would go to the wrong person? Well, i do, and in here i dont know who to exactly go to like... umm.. i know it's funny me asking this.. but.. *are there any athiests in here?* lol..just wondering... cause i dont know....how would u know who ur talking to? If any of u want to talk about anything just email me.. i love to help people.. oh and NO I'M NOT ATHIEST lol.. i'm APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL lol.. hehe.. well i will talk to you later.. gb.. love ya all.. p.s. and please respond to this...well email me or respond to this.. whichever you want:) -tabby
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#13633 - 11/04/04 10:15 AM Re: What do you believe?
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tab I'm a penticostal to so i hear ya.
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#13634 - 11/04/04 10:27 AM Re: What do you believe?
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i dont know of any atheists here in the forum. we are all pretty sound christians and few others. great variety of faiths represented. i dated a united pentecostal for 10 years. i also taught sunday school in the church. i simply love some things about that faith ! welcome tabby.
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#13635 - 11/04/04 10:33 AM Re: What do you believe?
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What exactly is the difference between a "run of the mill" pentacostal and an "apostolic pentacostal"

I'm a Mormon.
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#13636 - 11/04/04 12:19 PM Re: What do you believe?
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hey everybody it is pent "e" costal. as in the day of Pentecost. Basically pentecostal is full gospel, baptism in the holy ghost, tongue talkin, new testament kinda church. i am not sure doctrinally there are differences between various pentecostals but organizationally they probably differ. such as voting rights , church membership, deacons, presbyters, district superintendants etc. there may be some differences in things such as amillenial postmillenial, pretrib, post trib, mid trib stuff, but doctrinally i think we are all very very similar.
hope this helps.
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#13637 - 11/04/04 11:22 PM Re: What do you believe?
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We have one fella that pops in and out from time to time and he is basically agnostic. His name is DevilsAdvocate smile Really nice fella, I hope he meets Jesus in a personal way while he is still here.

Me? I am non-denomiational fundamentalist.
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#13638 - 11/05/04 08:45 AM Re: What do you believe?
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Steve, isn't that an Oxymoron?
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#13639 - 11/05/04 08:59 AM Re: What do you believe?
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i am just plain old new jerusalem trinity temple of the living god holy ghost bethlehem church on the way unity pentecostal assembly. led by the rev and prophetess sister lataquica pennyrile and bishop marvin p mountaintop. meat
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#13640 - 11/05/04 09:41 AM Re: What do you believe?
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To be more clear, I'm an assemblies of God pentecostal. I was raised that way and I've worked for my local district office.
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#13641 - 11/05/04 10:02 AM Re: What do you believe?
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There is one Body and one spirit ... there is one Lord, one faith, one God and Father of us all..."
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#13642 - 11/05/04 10:28 AM Re: What do you believe?
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You people are making it really difficult for me not to turn this into a Mormon thing. I mean that scripture Ephesians 4:4-6 can also easily be interpreted using "one faith" as though it means one church or denomination. There is one Lord, one faith and one God and I believe that verse says elsewhere one baptism. that being the case, why are there multiple forms of baptism practiced by multiple different faiths, with multiple interpretations of the singular and one truth that is Christ. If there exists multiple different "faiths" or denominations, then according to this scripture - or at least one valid interpretation of it - then all but one of them must be wrong. For according to Ephesians 4:4-6 there is only one God, one Baptism and one Faith, and (oh yeah) one Lord (Jesus). So there's both one God and one Lord? What's that all about? I guess that means there is two. It also says there is one spirit. So one spirit, one God, and one Lord? Don't you think that's a little repetitive if they are all one and the same being as the doctrine of trinity suggests? Maybe they are all actually separate like some other churches suggest.

I could go on, but I won't. I guess the mere fact that churches disagree on fundamental principles illustrates that the "one faith" concept espoused in this scripture does not exist in the context of Christianity as a whole.
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#13643 - 11/05/04 11:01 AM Re: What do you believe?
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Joel, now this may be the migrane talkin but here goes. Ephesians 4:4-6 says "4.There is one body and one spirit-just as you were called to one hope when you were called-5. one Lord,one faith,one baptism; 6. one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

I personally believe in the trinity. I think the one spirit is simply refering to there is only one Holy Spirit, meaning there is no other spirit in heaven or on earth that is of the Lord. One hope is that God should be our only hope. One Lord would be Jesus like you said, in my opinion it implys that there is only one savior who can save us. One faith- our faith in God(not your religion, faith isn't a religion). One baptism not to sure on that one, maybe implying that you only have to be baptized in water once. One God and Father of all- There is only one God, the one who created the Heavens and the earth, there will never be another.
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#13644 - 11/05/04 12:31 PM Re: What do you believe?
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Sorry about the migraine.

agreed, there is one God.
agreed, there is one Lord (Jesus).
agreed, there is one spirit (Holy Spirit).

Why are they listed separately in these verses if they are one (as the trinity doctrine suggests). Isn't that just repetitive? Could it not easily be read and interpeted to say that there is one God, one Lord, and one Spirit and they are separate? That's at least as easy as reading it to say they are one and in fact makes the verses easier to understand.

agreed, faith does not always directly equate to religion. However, it sometimes does and as such can be considered a viable interpretation. It's even more troubling if you take your interpretation of "one Faith in God." Which God? what's he like? what does he require of us? which commandments does he expect us to adhere to? Even taking it as "faith in God or faith in Christ" presents countless interpretive possibilities. So I ask, "which faith?" How is it manifest? what God is it that we have faith in? what is the correct meaning or interpretation of his teachings that we are to follow? The scripture is clear that there is only one. So which is it?

one baptism may refer to only the need to be baptized once, but it may also refer to one "type" or "method" for baptism. Not multiple versions or variations as is currently manifest in Christianity. There is a reason that Jesus went to John - if John wasn't doing it correctly and with the proper authority, and if method and authority didn't matter, Jesus could have jumped in any old river and called himself baptized.
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#13645 - 11/05/04 03:05 PM Re: What do you believe?
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Yeah, but, you all seem to forget. There is only one true Christian. The Catholics. All others are Protest ors/ant. Ducking flying objects.

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#13646 - 11/05/04 03:22 PM Re: What do you believe?
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Yeah, high five Kris. Go Catholics ! (just being lighthearted now...) wink
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#13647 - 11/05/04 06:10 PM Re: What do you believe?
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Joel I believe that it is written the way it is because some people may not understand the concept of the trinity. I always tend to think about the new christian, the one that has just enter a relationship with God and doesn't quite understand to the full extent the trinity concept. Don't you think that verse my help them understand that yes they are three in the same but they are each a different form of the same thing. Again just a thought.
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#13648 - 11/06/04 08:20 PM Re: What do you believe?
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joel, the questions you pose are the exact ones probably posed which created split off denominations and variations in interpretation. we people think we can use logic and reason to know the mind of God. our ways are not his ways and we will never fully understand Him until we meet Him face to face in heaven. we study and the holy spirit reveals truth to us but even the best lifelong scholars of the Word are still dumbfounded by some things, which to me just proves that God is so perfect even the smartest cant fully grasp His wisdom.
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