Is there a god? I think not...I wonder how long I will last on this board...how "open minded" you all are...I am truly the Devil's Advocate...will you hear me?



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I am open minded to a lot of things. But the one thing I will believe from now until eternity is that THERE IS GOD. Not A god not some gods. The One true LIVING GOD. I will hear you out. Give me some evidence that there is no GOD. You say you are the devil's advocate. Well explain this to me. How can you work for him and not believe in God? Sir, EVEN SATAN believes in GOD.

Also, how can you say that God sucks if you don't believe in HIM?

And why would you want to be the advocate of one who seeks to steal kill and destroy you? His promises are sweet, but in the end they will be your destruction. Why not choose to be the advocate of your creator? The one who will give you everything you need and LOVE you because you are HIS child.

Good point...truly, I do not believe in god...or satan for that matter. I post "I love Satan" stuff all over my office...as somewhat of a joke...some are offended, some are not...I do it to kind of to prove nothing bad will happen to me...and nothing ever has (knock on brimstone). I do not mean to "belittle" your beliefs...many of my good friends are born again, go out and witness, etc...I just don't think there is a god...

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How long will you be on tonight? Are you willing to hear ME out? I have to go home. I am at work right now, and my daughter is waiting for me...Are you gonna be around for a while?

but would you tell me this before I go...What evidence have you that there is no God?

Unfortunately, no...I am hitting the sack...it is 2:30 am here...sorry...I will check tomorrow and reply/reflect as necessary...thanks...I enjoy a civil, thought provoking discussion...

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And why are you so intent on proving that nothing will happen to you? What do you think that there is someone watching waitning to strike us all down? We killed Jesus after spitting in His face and mocking Him and jeering at Him...If God were gonna strike us down, don't ya think He wouldve done it then?

Okay, well you have a wonderful night. I will pray for you. He does love you even if you don't want to admit that He is there.

Evidence...first, prove he exists...second, why all the famine, death, hate, etc? Third...science is a factor, although many can reconcile the differences there...third, I lost a good buddy on a parachute jump about 2 years ago...left a loving wife, and 6 month old daughter...his job was to save lives and he was killed while training...I regulary holler out "I love satan" prior to exiting an aircraft...why did god make us like we are to hate, mame, rape, murder, etc? If he supposedly created us in his image...why would you worship a hate monger and murderer?

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For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Adam was made in His image. It was God's intent for man to commune with Him and love Him as our creator. But Satan is a liar--and a good one at that. And he was able to decieve Adam and Eve into believing that thier God was a liar. Knowledge is what he promised them. Death is what he gave them. Since they sinned, they lost the bond that they had with God. A whole world of sin has since followed. We are all born sinners. Only through Jesus Christ are we made new. Once we recieve His forgivness, then we begin, once more to be in His image. Born again, a new creation. If one is truely Christ-like, he does not do the things that you speak of. Those things are of Satan. God gave us free will. Some of us choose to love Him. Some of us choose not to. Those who choose not to are open targets and succeptible to believe the lies that Satan tells. If he can convince you that God does not exist, then he doesn't really care whether or not you believe in him. In fact, he would rather you believe that he doesn't exist, so that you will not be aware that anyone is lying to you.

My last post this early am: I believe that religion is a cop out for people that don't want to take responsibility for their lives and actions...I do not believe in god, ergo, I can't "admit" he exists...there are too many religions that force others to bend to their beliefs and standards...the crusades were a good example...many religions "save" people by forcing them to convert...if that is god's work, shove it. I'll leave you with my favorite quote:

It matters not how straight the gait, how charged with punishments the scroll...I am the master of my ship, I am the captain of my soul.

I'll be back tomorrow...

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Then have a good night. I will chat with you tomorrow. ps. I don't want to convert you! I just want you to understand that there is so much of the picture that you are not seeing. There IS GOD. And He loves you whether you admit that He is there or not. You can't stop Him from loving you. You can curse Him, you can deny Him, You can do as you are doing now and choose not to believe in Him. But why would you want to deny the fact that there is someone who loves you so much that all He wants is to be with you?

I am going home. Good night.

Okay, it is now 2:30 am here. You are an hour ahead of me. I hope you had a good night's rest by the time you read this. I will be up most of the night praying for you. That is a promise. You see, this is how I see it. You want evidence. But faith is the evidence of things unseen. If you can look around you at the earth and all that is in it and tell me how we got here without help, then go ahead. I would rather believe that I was put here by a loving creator than to believe that I evolved from slime and a monkey. I take full responsibility for every action that I take, every thought that I have. I choose to give the pilot seat to the only one who can steer me in the right direction. You are right. At this point in your life, YOU are steering your own ship. And I pity to say that you are steering it in the wrong direction. If you are not for God, then you are against Him. I don't say that out of meaness, but out of LOVE. And you see, THAT, my friend, is what it means to be IN HIS IMAGE. I am not some flaky new age peaceloving treehugging hippie. I believe that the battle of spirital warfare rages, and that I am a soldier of Christ. My heart hurts for you right now, because you are so bitter. I do not think that you signed on here with the intention of making me believe that there is no God. I think that you want someone to prove to you that God exists. You are looking for something and you even know what it is. But you want proof. Well, sad to say that I cannot show you a sign or perform a miracle for you. I am only human. I choose to believe that God exists. I know Him because I have felt Him, and I have seen the evidence of HIM in my life. I now have a personal relationship with Him. If you would only have the faith the size of a mustard seed, you would be surprised what God could do with it. He could change your life. You can argue with me all day about how a loving God could cause such terrible things to happen. Well let me tell you this. He is not the one who causes these things. It is through Satan's deception that we sin, and if you really want to talk about taking responsibility for actions, it is OUR SIN that gets us into the messes that we get in. But Jesus already paid the debt for our sin. That doesn't mean that we no longer have to take responsibility for our actions. Just the opposite. It means that we must confess, "God, I have sinned. I have fallen short of your glory. But I beleive that through your son Jesus' death, my sins have been washed away. Please forgive me." That doen't mean that we can sin over and over and over with the intention of asking to be forgiven so that we don't burn in HELL. It just means that we then strive to be more like Him, and do what we were created to do. And that is to LOVE HIM and give HIM the glory for everything that we do. We choose to die to ourselves and let HIM in the pilot seat. We choose to love everyone as He has loved us. We choose to be more accountable for our actions. We choose LIFE. For the wages of sin is death. But if our sins can be forgiven, then we may have eternal life through Jesus Christ our SAVIOR. I ask you now: If you think that Christianity is a cop out for those who don't want to be held accountable, and yet you do not believe in God, then WHO HOLDS YOU ACCOUTNTABLE? You? That hardly seems fair...You would not dare pass harsh judgement on yourself. You just do what you wish and do not answer to anyone. Is that right? Well then which is more of a cop out? Again, I say this out of love and not judgement. I love your soul, and I love my Jesus, and that is why I will pray for you and "discuss" with you until you decide that you do not want to hear any thing more that I have to say. He loves you. Like it or not. He's there. Denying it wont change it. Deny the existance of the sun. Go ahead. Say that the sun does not exist. And the look out your window. Is there not evidence that the sun exists? If you see none, then you are blind. Did your words change anything? Now. Say out loud that God doesn't exist. Look out your window. Is there NO evidence that He exists? If you see none, then you are blind. Did your words change anything? No. He is there. And He loves you.

Hi! Boy, Devil's Advocate, you picked the right person to discuss with...or should I say that God picked the right person for you to discuss with. Foreverchanged is a shining example of God's existance! And, I'm just here giving my $.02. Okay, like foeverchanged said, I can't give you so called "proof" that God exists, but take this "testimony" from a witness for God's Advocate.

I'm 20 and last year, I was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma, cancer of the lymph nodes. But by God's healing hand and the skillful hands of medical tech's I am here in radical medical remission. One year of extensive treatement. I lost my beautiful dark hair when I was put on steroids. I was in the hospital among other things...surgery. But I can tell you WITHOUT FLINCHING, I never blamed God. Because He healed me. Talk to my Oncologist...my recovery was exceptional. He's a "Christain" so the only thing you would get out of him was it was totally God. But nothing else can explain my abnormal reaction to such harsh treatemtnt...nearly no side effects. In the fall, I will start back to college in perfect health. I, like foreverchanged, am going to devote today to a fast and prayer for you. I pitty you. What hope do you have? What if you wake up tomorrow and you have cancer? Where is your hope? In yourself? You are only human...ther's only so much you can do. In doctors? They are also limited humans. All this is in love...we will not kick you or boot you...we want to talk to you...God bless

~Alanna

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"...It's all about you, all about you Jesus..."

Firstly... just want to say thank you for joining us DA. This should be a good discussion as long as it doesn't wind down into name calling, shrill screaming, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc,... it's always good for people to dig down and see what they really believe...

I really can't answer you better than forever has already.. she has done beautifully. Stick around tho... this discussion is good for both of us... and I too, pray for your soul...



Most people who have studied "the crusades" know that religion had very little to do with what went on at that time. It was much more to do with money, slaves, land, and power. The "religious" aspect was a veil for their ambitions... as has been most "holy wars".. God has been blamed for a lot of stuff He had nothing to do with...



That was prolly Henley's most famous poem... He really was having a miserable life @ that time while battling tuberculosis and losing his leg, I can almost see him shaking his fist at God while writing that poem... it doesn't change the facts tho:

"Art thou in truth? Then what of Him
Who bought thee with His blood?
Who plunged into devouring seas
And snatched thee from the flood,

Who bore for all our fallen race
What none but Him could bear--
That God who died that man might live
And endless glory share.

Of what avail thy vaunted strength
Apart from His vast might?
Pray that His light may pierce the gloom
That thou mayest see aright.

Men are as bubbles on the wave,
As leaves upon the tree,
Thou, captain of thy soul! Forsooth,
Who gave that place to thee?

Free will is thine- free agency,
To wield for right or wrong;
But thou must answer unto Him
To whom all souls belong.

Bend to the dust that "head unbowed,"
Small part of life's great whole,
And see in Him and Him alone,
The captain of thy soul."

- "The Soul's Captain" by Orson F. Whitney



I look forward to it...

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The air and Jesus:

The air, we can't see it but we need it to live. We see the effects of the air (wind) but we can't actually see the air.

Jesus, we may not be able to phsically able to see Him, but we NEED HIM to bring us back to our loving and caring DADDY in HEAVEN. We see the affects He has on us and others.

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something i read:

"the captain of a ship on a dark night saw faint lights in the distance. He told his signalman to send the message: ""change your direction 10 degrees south.""

Immediately he received the response: ""change your course 10 degrees north.""

The proud captain was angry that he was being challenged, so he sent a further message: ""change your course 10 degrees
south. This is the captain speaking!""

He received the response: ""change your direction 10 degrees north. I'm Seaman Third Class Jones.""

The captain, thinking he would terrify this insubodinate sailor, wired a third message: ""change your direction 10 degrees south. I'm a battleship.""

The final reply came: ""change your course 10 degrees north. I'm a lighthouse."""


signed me
the nobody

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Wonderful points...and a great discussion...I will assure you that I will not resort to name calling...I respect your beliefs. Frankly, nothing you can say or do will change my mind...THAT is my belief...I DO NOT, nor will I EVER believe in a "god"...you can pray for my soul all you want. I navigate life as I see fit, and live/die by the decisions I make...no one helps me. I am not bitter, sad, or confused...I live a full and productive life, married to a wonderful woman with a lovely dog named Waldo...I have risked my life jumping out of an airplane into the middle of the pacific ocean to save the crew of a Taiwanese fishing vessel...I chose the path that led me to that (and other) moments...I am not fufilling any destiny...I am not simply following a pre-determined path. I believe that once I die that is it...the end, poof...nothing more...no afterlife, no heaven, no hell...simply, the end...ergo, I make the most of my life...living every moment, striving to reach my goals...and helping others along the way...not because of god...but because I CHOOSE to...if I chose to murder, it would not be because of satan...it would be simply my choice. That is what I believe...you believe differently and pray for me...I don't mind that a bit...it may make you feel better, but I assure you...it does NOTHING for me. If I woke up with cancer tomorrow, I would set my MIND to beating it. I applaud you NRefining for your courage and good health...you thank god...if it were me, I would simply chalk it up to mind power and go on...I simply have a different outlook and live my life by my rules...no one elses...you all live your life by a so called "gods" rules...fine for you, not for me. Some questions:

1. With all the different religions in the world...who is right? Allah? Jesus? Mohammad? Budda?...if there is only one god...why has he confused over half the world's population?

2. How do you reconcile the commandment "thou shalt not kill" with eating meat, wars (we have many chaplains, fathers, etc. in the military), killing plants if you are a vegitarian, etc.?

3. Are dinasaurs mentioned in the bible? Impeccable evidence proves they existed...Scientific evidence proves we evolved from (as someone put it) slime and monkeys. Explain.

I will post this and see if anyone is on...if not, I shall return...thank you all for a stimulating discussion!



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